<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" version="2.0" xmlns:itunes="http://www.itunes.com/dtds/podcast-1.0.dtd" xmlns:googleplay="http://www.google.com/schemas/play-podcasts/1.0"><channel><title><![CDATA[The Curiosity Gap]]></title><description><![CDATA[Essays on what schools do to curiosity - and what we can do about it.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk</link><image><url>https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!D2iI!,w_256,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4b5c0cba-8f84-4f46-9951-764abb609219_306x306.png</url><title>The Curiosity Gap</title><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk</link></image><generator>Substack</generator><lastBuildDate>Sat, 30 May 2026 20:30:58 GMT</lastBuildDate><atom:link href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml"/><copyright><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></copyright><language><![CDATA[en]]></language><webMaster><![CDATA[chriscuriosity@substack.com]]></webMaster><itunes:owner><itunes:email><![CDATA[chriscuriosity@substack.com]]></itunes:email><itunes:name><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></itunes:name></itunes:owner><itunes:author><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></itunes:author><googleplay:owner><![CDATA[chriscuriosity@substack.com]]></googleplay:owner><googleplay:email><![CDATA[chriscuriosity@substack.com]]></googleplay:email><googleplay:author><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></googleplay:author><itunes:block><![CDATA[Yes]]></itunes:block><item><title><![CDATA[The moral case for curiosity in the classroom]]></title><description><![CDATA[England says it has high standards and a knowledge-rich curriculum. So how can you pass GCSE knowing 20%? On standards, attainment and the curiosity gap.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/the-moral-case-for-curiosity</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/the-moral-case-for-curiosity</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2026 14:58:38 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7d601fb4-b542-464c-bf03-a822699e3be5.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I gave back some GCSE mock exams a few weeks ago, congratulating my Year 11 class. Nearly all of them had got the same grade or improved since the last set of mocks (we do a lot of mock exams).</p><p>Then I looked at the papers I was handing back. &#8216;Well done&#8217;, I&#8217;d scribbled across a paper that had got 55%. &#8216;Great work&#8217; on another that had got 48%.</p><p>Most of these kids had sat the &#8216;foundation tier&#8217; &#8211; the lowest difficulty paper, the one that cut out the hardest material. Some of the questions were pretty straightforward, like calculating an average or plotting a couple of missing points on a graph. <a href="https://www.aqa.org.uk/files/sample-papers-and-mark-schemes.2024.June.AQA-8464P2F-QP-JUN24_PDF/94034e5b781b0079638556533d92fa986d4264fe.pdf">Others were even easier</a>:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z6N9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8930975d-cd39-42fc-9025-0b504c0b5f02_1004x732.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Z6N9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8930975d-cd39-42fc-9025-0b504c0b5f02_1004x732.png 424w, 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They were a couple of months off being done with school forever, never to take physics again. I was sending them out into the world knowing a fraction of the knowledge-rich curriculum I had been presenting them with for three years.</p><p>I thought I was doing everything right: Retrieval starters, mini whiteboards at every opportunity, carefully sculpted explanations with no distracting, twirling PowerPoint animations. No hint of problem-based or discovery learning in my class and the only practicals we did were the ones fully embedded in the scheme of work or required by the exam board. I&#8217;d read every kid&#8217;s SEN report and tilted the tables by sitting the most disadvantaged kids at the front of the class.</p><p>All this, and if they took the higher tier physics paper, the top scorers in the class would probably get between 20% and 30%</p><p>Where had I gone wrong?</p><h2>A very Conservative revolution</h2><p>When the Conservative government came to power in the UK in 2010, ministers began their revolution of teaching in England with big promises. There would be <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/curriculum-exam-and-accountability-reform">new exams</a>, &#8216;designed to address the grade inflation, dumbing down and loss of rigour.&#8217; The &#8216;knowledge-rich curriculum&#8217; would now contain the &#8216;essential knowledge and skills which every child should master&#8217;.</p><p>Ministers <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/michael-gove-an-education-system-which-works-for-every-child">also acknowledged</a> that &#8216;failure to secure a good maths or English GCSE renders any student effectively unemployable.&#8217; If students did not meet the required standards in mathematics and English, they would retake the exams until they did. And, naturally, the idea of students sitting an easier paper and being limited to just passing would be a thing of the past.</p><p>Michael Gove, Education Secretary and architect of the changes, warned that results might dip when standards increased. But that was only because they were &#8216;<a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/michael-gove-to-ofqual-standards-summit">honest</a>&#8217; in a way previous exams hadn&#8217;t been.</p><h2>The poverty of low standards</h2><p>The rhetoric was strong, but underneath, Gove was undermining his own high standards. Rather than push for a system where students really understood everything on his &#8216;knowledge-rich curriculum,&#8217; he let them leave school grasping only a fraction of it.</p><p>Let&#8217;s take one of those core subjects &#8211; mathematics. Let&#8217;s take the biggest exam board by entries &#8211; AQA. And let&#8217;s look at <a href="https://www.aqa.org.uk/exams-administration/results-days/grade-boundaries/archive">the grade boundaries</a> for the new &#8216;good pass&#8217; &#8211; a grade 5 (on the scale 1, lowest, to 9, highest).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png" width="646" height="148.83333333333334" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:282,&quot;width&quot;:1224,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:646,&quot;bytes&quot;:40780,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/199567849?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GKKX!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F63558304-328e-4f13-a047-115ab59b4c94_1224x282.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>(After 2019, pass grades changed dramatically, and so I&#8217;ve not included these. &#8216;Standards fell as a result of the pandemic&#8217; would be an easy target. I&#8217;m interested in the immediate changes.)</p><p>At around 30% for a grade 5, three students could be awarded a &#8216;good pass&#8217; and allowed to move on to the next stage of their education and into work, while having <em>no overlap at all in their understanding of the curriculum</em>, with its &#8216;essential knowledge and skills which every child should master&#8217;.</p><p>The situation is worse, in fact. Because Gove set the effective standard of a pass at grade 4. If you can get a fifth of the questions right on the paper, you don&#8217;t have to retake your exams. Knowing only 20% of that knowledge-rich curriculum, apparently, transforms your prospects from &#8216;effectively unemployable&#8217; to government-certified school leaver.</p><p>And, as you will have spotted, Gove <a href="https://theconversation.com/tiered-gcse-papers-that-cap-ambition-should-be-abolished-30592">did not remove</a> the &#8216;foundation tier&#8217; in all subjects. Nearly every student in my class is limited to a grade 5, moving those aspirational top grades out of reach.</p><h2>The Curiosity Gap</h2><p>The knowledge-rich curriculum was designed to be the great social leveller. Michael Gove, drawing from others such as E.D. Hirsch, explained it in terms of the &#8216;Matthew Effect.&#8217; Following the biblical passage, those who start school knowing most are the ones who gain most. They have the concepts in place to build on and so progress is easier. As <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-importance-of-a-knowledge-rich-curriculum">Gove put it</a>:</p><blockquote><p>We cannot anymore ignore the evidence that shows that pupils from less advantaged backgrounds are less likely than their peers to access this &#8216;communal knowledge&#8217; at home, who by contrast enjoy frequent guided reading with parents from a young age, as well as rich conversations at the family dinner table as they grow older.</p></blockquote><p>Gove&#8217;s revolution sought to give all students access to this communal knowledge. But he forgot one vital factor: it wasn&#8217;t only <em>access</em> to the knowledge that differentiated between rich and poor, it was also the desire to gain that knowledge, when they were presented with it.</p><p>Some children may experience this &#8216;communal knowledge&#8217; in art galleries, science museums or in discussion over dinner when their parents return from their jobs that require it. To these children, the value of school knowledge might be self-evident. To children without this range of opportunities, it may not be. That doesn&#8217;t mean they&#8217;re less curious, but it might mean they express it less at school.</p><p>Rather than guessing, though, let&#8217;s test the theory.</p><p>We&#8217;ll begin by looking at England alone, given it&#8217;s England&#8217;s knowledge-rich curriculum we&#8217;re discussing. In the <a href="https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2022-results-volume-i_53f23881-en.html">2022 PISA survey</a>, the OECD gave children around the world tests of their science, mathematics and reading knowledge, as well as a questionnaire about their attitude to learning. Even if we restrict the data to England, we&#8217;re still left with almost 5000 students.</p><p>We&#8217;ll split the students into quintiles &#8211; five equal groups &#8211; from poorest to wealthiest. Then we&#8217;ll compare their answers to two of the curiosity questions (how much they strongly disagree to strongly agree on a 5-point scale with the following):</p><blockquote><p>I am curious about many different things.</p><p>I love learning new things in school.</p></blockquote><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i0Wz!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41040b53-8092-47a9-88fb-072e9d2bc84d_904x656.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i0Wz!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41040b53-8092-47a9-88fb-072e9d2bc84d_904x656.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i0Wz!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41040b53-8092-47a9-88fb-072e9d2bc84d_904x656.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i0Wz!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41040b53-8092-47a9-88fb-072e9d2bc84d_904x656.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i0Wz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41040b53-8092-47a9-88fb-072e9d2bc84d_904x656.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!i0Wz!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F41040b53-8092-47a9-88fb-072e9d2bc84d_904x656.png" width="904" height="656" 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The gap comes in their attitude towards learning in school.</p><p>Another question: by 2022, we&#8217;d had the knowledge-rich curriculum for some time. Was it the great leveller it was intended to be?</p><p>Here are the test scores for the richest and poorest, which we&#8217;d expect to converge if indeed the knowledge-rich curriculum had closed the wealth gap:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GVXg!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd90cd32d-e89d-4a1c-812c-7a401e29f1bd_904x644.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GVXg!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd90cd32d-e89d-4a1c-812c-7a401e29f1bd_904x644.png 424w, 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Obviously we aren&#8217;t quite there yet.</p><p>At an average of almost 100 points between the wealthiest and poorest across all three subjects, England ranks 21st out of 75 PISA nations in terms of the size of its attainment gap.</p><p>If quintiles were nations, the wealthiest would rank second in the world in mathematics, just after Singapore. The poorest would be 39<sup>th</sup> in the world, &#8216;statistically significantly below the OECD average&#8217;, <a href="https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2023/12/pisa-2022-results-volume-i_76772a36/53f23881-en.pdf">according to the OECD</a>.</p><p>This isn&#8217;t good, but it doesn&#8217;t mean that curiosity is the solution, nor does it mean the &#8216;curiosity gap&#8217; is a uniquely English phenomenon. To investigate those two points, we need to go global.</p><h2>Going global</h2><p>If curiosity did correlate with better test scores, this might just be because it encapsulates a positive attitude towards learning more generally. So, let&#8217;s compare the effect of being curious to having grit or a growth mindset - while holding the effects of the other two traits constant.</p><p>Here&#8217;s the data, from over 80,000 students across 41 countries.<a class="footnote-anchor" data-component-name="FootnoteAnchorToDOM" id="footnote-anchor-1" href="#footnote-1" target="_self">1</a></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!VuQp!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F04595f4d-b7ae-4e07-9b66-580f5d766547_904x672.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><a href="https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2022-results-volume-i_53f23881-en/full-report/the-state-of-learning-and-equity-in-education-in-2022_e65c570e.html">According to PISA</a>, 20 points equates to about a year&#8217;s worth of schooling. So, loving learning in school gives the poorest a boost of roughly 3 months compared to their equally-poor compatriots who do not love learning in school.</p><p>And it&#8217;s England specifically we should worry about.</p><p>We can calculate the curiosity gap (general curiosity minus love of learning new things in school) for all 75 regions in PISA. Here are the top 20:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png" width="634" height="599.7297297297297" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:840,&quot;width&quot;:888,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:634,&quot;bytes&quot;:116475,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/199567849?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!V8hW!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F90fd1fe0-204f-4c7b-b705-0f779ff2f9fa_888x840.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And here&#8217;s that information for all 75 regions &#8211; with the attainment gap between poorest and richest plotted against their curiosity gap:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png" width="904" height="672" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:672,&quot;width&quot;:904,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:82733,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/199567849?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!JG66!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3bb2de87-0d11-424a-8a08-4ea2218b860d_904x672.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In summary, the difference between England&#8217;s poorest students&#8217; curiosity gap &#8211; general curiosity minus love of school learning &#8211; is 19.8 percentage points, against 11.0 for the wealthiest:<em> the largest of any of the 75 regions in the comparison</em>.</p><p>Poorer students who enjoy learning new things in school do better than those who don&#8217;t. If we believe we have a moral obligation to close the achievement gap, maybe we should be trying to close the curiosity gap, too.</p><h2>The Moral Case for Curiosity</h2><p><a href="https://substack.nomoremarking.com/p/do-knowledge-rich-curriculums-cause">Daisy Christodoulou has argued</a> that the knowledge-rich curriculum has held England&#8217;s PISA performance steady while the other devolved nations have fallen. I used <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/why-dont-students-like-school-do">the same data</a> to show that English children&#8217;s enjoyment of school has collapsed over the same period.</p><p>Neither of us touched on curiosity.</p><p>The <a href="https://data-browser.hbsc.org/measure/school-satisfaction-liking-school/">HBSC data</a> Christodoulou cites shows only around 11% of English 13- and 15-year-olds say they like school a lot. The curiosity ranking suggests we now have a more specific problem: it&#8217;s not just that students don&#8217;t enjoy school; it could be that students - and especially the poorest - may place a lower value on the knowledge school teaches them.</p><p>Maybe it&#8217;s time to look at the curriculum in a different way.</p><p>We tell students about careers and the qualifications they need to get into university, as if this alone justifies everything we teach them. Each lesson is simply building up to this end point.</p><p>We talk about the curriculum as if it&#8217;s a gift to students. We treat it, though, like it&#8217;s something <em>we do to them</em>.</p><p>Justifying the curriculum &#8211; explaining why we think students should learn it &#8211; is something that should accompany the gift. We might not think students should get to choose what they learn, but if we believe it&#8217;s for their own benefit, what&#8217;s the harm in saying so?</p><p>This matters especially for disadvantaged kids who aren&#8217;t as likely, according to Gove, to enjoy &#8216;rich conversations at the family dinner table&#8217;.</p><p>We need to tell these kids why it matters for them to learn this &#8216;communal knowledge&#8217;. If we believe, as the architects of the Conservative revolution put it, that this knowledge belongs to everyone, we need to give them a case for possessing it.</p><p>In my <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-if-im-the-cognitive-load">last post</a>, I made the case for curiosity in school from a scientific perspective. Children have access to more of their working memory when they&#8217;re curious. They remember more &#8211; even incidental information they come across. The latest neuroscience and cognitive science evidence indicates that curiosity is a high learning state.</p><p>Here, I&#8217;m giving the moral case for curiosity.</p><p>Rather than pretending the curriculum is self-evident, what if, before presenting them with the information, we told them why they were expected to learn it? From languages to mathematics, science to music, every single sentence in the curriculum would have a purpose.</p><p>And if we can&#8217;t justify each sentence? Maybe we need to rethink why we&#8217;re actually teaching it.</p><h2>Curiosity &#8211; on an atomic level</h2><p>This isn&#8217;t about making every lesson fun. It&#8217;s not about putting on costumes and dropping apples while pretending to be Sir Isaac Newton to learn about gravity. It&#8217;s about telling students why it matters to learn about gravity.</p><p>A couple of weeks after I gave those mock exams back, I was revising atomic structure with the class.</p><p>A student put her hand up. &#8216;But why do we need to know this?&#8217;</p><p>&#8216;Because your first GCSE exam is in a month,&#8217; I was about to snap back.</p><p>I caught myself.</p><p>Instead, I gave a rambling explanation centred on two ideas. First, the point of science is to understand the intrinsic structure of the universe &#8211; like, what the desk in front of you is made of, what you&#8217;re made of. When we find an answer, we ask a new question. Science is curiosity, systematised.</p><p>Second, I asked how long it took her phone to charge. For about ten minutes of that hour, on average, her phone had been powered by nuclear energy. Nuclear energy requires an understanding of atoms.</p><p>And the minutes that were powered by fossil fuels, driving global warming, sending species extinct and flooding whole communities? If we had nuclear fusion, fossil fuels might be a thing of the past. Maybe, when we understand more about atoms, we&#8217;ll have it.</p><p>It took a couple of minutes. Then we got back to the lesson.</p><p>During the starter, the student had been staring blankly at the desk. Now, her eyes lit up. She raised her hand to ask another question.</p><p>If only I&#8217;d tried this two years ago, I thought, when we had all the time in the world.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p><div class="footnote" data-component-name="FootnoteToDOM"><a id="footnote-1" href="#footnote-anchor-1" class="footnote-number" contenteditable="false" target="_self">1</a><div class="footnote-content"><p>There are numerous caveats with this approach, not least that we&#8217;re sampling quite small numbers of students in some countries; the large number of countries helps, in part, mitigate this, but see <a href="https://github.com/getcuriousblog/MoralCase/blob/main/MoralCaseCode.R">the full code here</a> for further methodological notes.</p></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What if I’m the cognitive load?]]></title><description><![CDATA[What are our students thinking about&#8230; when we don&#8217;t give them a reason to think about our lesson?]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-if-im-the-cognitive-load</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-if-im-the-cognitive-load</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2026 07:01:17 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!1_NT!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb4edd255-da85-4bf3-8698-a0618b189385_717x538.heic" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Image: Borehole (Wikimedia Commons, public domain)</em> </figcaption></figure></div><h3>Nietzsche&#8217;s guide to becoming a multimillionaire</h3><p>I was reading a self-help book called <em>Goals!</em> I&#8217;d reached a particularly fevered section about setting your sights on an ambitious financial target. Don&#8217;t worry about how to get there, the author said. Once you have the goal in mind, you&#8217;ll find a way.</p><p>Then he quoted Nietzsche.</p><p><em>He who has a &#8216;why&#8217; to live can bear almost any &#8216;how&#8217;</em></p><p>I wondered, briefly, about whether meeting financial goals was what Nietzsche had been getting at. Then I realised it didn&#8217;t really matter, and that it could apply to teaching, too.</p><p><em>Give students a strong enough &#8216;why&#8217;, and they&#8217;ll put up with some variation in how you get them there.</em></p><p>But there&#8217;s also the converse: if we don&#8217;t give them a &#8216;why&#8217;, does it really matter about the &#8216;how&#8217;?</p><h3>Boring holes and whale carcasses</h3><p>I&#8217;ve been testing an idea recently in the classroom. It goes something like this: pose a question, withhold the answer.</p><p><em>How long can a whale carcass sustain life on the ocean floor?</em></p><p><em>Why can&#8217;t astronauts just shout to each other on the moon?</em></p><p><em>How do we know about the Earth&#8217;s structure, when the deepest hole we&#8217;ve ever dug was 12km?</em></p><p>I ask students to make a prediction but don&#8217;t tell them the answer. The &#8216;delayed closure&#8217; approach. Instead, I just let the lesson unfold, because the answer&#8217;s there, inside all the activities we&#8217;re about to do.</p><p>Take the question about the Earth&#8217;s structure. I taught that lesson earlier today. It had all the makings of a curiosity disaster: I discovered five minutes in that the students had just found out about the Earth&#8217;s structure in geography.</p><p>But I had a secret weapon &#8211; delayed closure.</p><p>I told the students that the Soviets dug for 24 years. They drilled down further than anyone ever has. What percentage of the way to the centre of the Earth did they get?</p><p>Students guessed.</p><p>The answer? Precisely nowhere, given rounding errors.</p><p>If the Earth were an apple, they wouldn&#8217;t even have broken through the skin.</p><p>So if we&#8217;ve never made it through the Earth&#8217;s crust, how do we actually know anything about the Earth&#8217;s structure?</p><p>Somebody guessed X-rays. Not far off. We do use waves passing through the Earth &#8211; but these are naturally-generated. I told them about Danish seismologist Inge Lehmann, who discovered the inner core of the Earth in 1936 using earthquake data from New Zealand.</p><p>By then, they were as hooked as a class of 13-year-olds get. They raced through a comprehension activity in silence then came up with the most imaginative models of the Earth&#8217;s layers I&#8217;ve ever seen &#8211; a Big Mac, a watermelon, a gobstopper, a cr&#232;me egg with a nut in the middle (the foil as the crust) &#8211; and explained these to the rest of the class.</p><p>But will they remember it?</p><p>I tested what they knew from their geography lesson at the start, and it wasn&#8217;t all that much. When I&#8217;ve tried the delayed-closure technique over the last couple of weeks, students retained more than they had done before.</p><p>So I&#8217;m hopeful. And I&#8217;ve got the science to back me up.</p><h3>Seeing faces in MRI machines</h3><p>In 2009, <a href="https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-9280.2009.02402.x">Min Jeong Kang and colleagues</a> published a seminal neuroscientific study on curiosity. They put volunteers into an MRI machine and asked them trivia questions. When participants were curious, the reward pathways in the brain were activated. Participants remembered more answers to questions they&#8217;d been curious about than when they hadn&#8217;t.</p><p>In a 2014 paper, <a href="https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4252494/">Matthias Gruber and colleagues</a> went further. Between the trivia questions and the answers, participants were shown pictures of faces. When they were curious, participants remembered the irrelevant pictures better.</p><p>When we&#8217;re curious, our memories are activated, even for information that doesn&#8217;t seem relevant.</p><p><a href="https://www.cell.com/trends/cognitive-sciences/fulltext/S1364-6613(19)30238-4">Gruber and his colleague Charan Ranganath</a> argue that curiosity kicks in when we notice a gap between what we know and what we want to know. If the gap feels important or interesting, we&#8217;re motivated to fill it. During this process, the brain&#8217;s dopamine system ramps up, which strengthens memory formation in the hippocampus. We remember more because curiosity enhances our attention and desire to get the information we&#8217;re missing to close the knowledge gap.</p><p>Curiosity primes us to take in and retain information.</p><h3>What&#8217;s really overloading students&#8217; brains?</h3><p>But I worried &#8211; if students are thinking about the question while you&#8217;re talking, aren&#8217;t they having to juggle a lot in their heads?</p><p>Then I thought &#8211; if they aren&#8217;t thinking about the big lesson question, what are they thinking about?</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t take much imagination to speculate: What&#8217;s going on at home. What their friend said to them in the playground. What they saw on TikTok when they used their phone at break when no one was looking.</p><p>Their mind goes to these things because that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re curious about. That&#8217;s what they want to know about.</p><p>The causes of the First World War, French grammar, fractions. Most students are not, by default, curious about these things. Certainly not in their abstract form. You introduce the lesson and their mind goes back to whatever they were thinking about on the way in. The cognitive load is whatever we&#8217;re adding &#8211; our voice competing with their thoughts. The fear they might be asked a question. The worry about how to complete a worksheet when they haven&#8217;t really been concentrating.</p><p>I&#8217;d got the problem the wrong way round.</p><p>The issue isn&#8217;t: <em>does curiosity add to their cognitive load</em>? It&#8217;s: <em>how can we make them curious enough about our lesson so that their other worries and concerns fade into the background for an hour?</em></p><p>Sure, we can overload them with information if we don&#8217;t take proper care in our explanations, instructions and task design. That&#8217;s always been the case. But the neuroscience shows that curiosity improves retention. When students aren&#8217;t curious, they remember less than when they are.</p><p>If memory is the residue of thought, curiosity is the glue that helps those thoughts stick.</p><h3>Freeing up some working memory</h3><p>The working memory available to students <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10648-007-9053-4">isn&#8217;t fixed in practice</a>. How they feel affects <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10648-007-9047-2">how much of their capacity they can actually use</a>.</p><p>When students are calm, interested, or motivated, <a href="https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10648-007-9053-4">more of their working memory is available for learning</a>. When they&#8217;re bored, anxious, or frustrated, <a href="https://psycnet.apa.org/doiLanding?doi=10.1037%2Fa0026609">some of that capacity gets tied up</a> in managing those feelings instead.</p><p>This doesn&#8217;t mean lessons must be constantly fun &#8211; positive affect is more about comfort, emotional safety, and of course curiosity, than entertainment. The trick is directing the curiosity to the lesson material.</p><p>That&#8217;s where the thought and planning come in.</p><p>Luckily, the literature on curiosity gives us hints, and we can draw on studies from neuroscience, cognitive psychology and education. Piecing them together gives us clues about what might work in the classroom.</p><p>But more on that another day.</p><p>Once we&#8217;ve got the &#8216;why&#8217;, the &#8216;how&#8217; becomes a lot easier. We can&#8217;t promise we&#8217;ll make our students multimillionaires (although doing better in exams can&#8217;t hurt). But we can give them a reason to listen.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[I was wrong. Here’s what I’d change about education research]]></title><description><![CDATA[What happens at BERA, stays at BERA. Why the trad/prog fight is weakening the field &#8211; and what we can do about it.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/i-was-wrong-about-education-research</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/i-was-wrong-about-education-research</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 29 Apr 2026 12:15:58 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/822fc29c-6235-48b8-9c31-20afc04f43f4_5472x3648.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a big education research conference happening at the start of September. It&#8217;s big. Maybe the biggest, most important one in the UK. The latest research gets shared. Boundary-pushing discussion takes place.</p><p>Another big education research conference happens at the start of September, too. A lot of people go, but when they talk about &#8216;evidence&#8217; and &#8216;methods&#8217;, some say they&#8217;ve got the wrong idea.</p><p>Some say they ask the wrong questions.</p><p>Some say they&#8217;re closeted and partisan and do not listen to outside views.</p><p>One is called BERA. It&#8217;s for academic researchers in education.</p><p>The other is researchED; it&#8217;s practitioner-facing, for teachers who want to understand the science of learning.</p><p>But which is which?</p><h2>The problem I didn&#8217;t see</h2><p>We&#8217;ve got a problem, but it took me a while to see it.</p><p>I spoke at BERA a few years ago. I overheard a couple of colleagues sharing a light joke about researchED. Standard stuff at academic conferences. You&#8217;re with your tribe. The other tribe is over there. Everyone agrees they don&#8217;t quite get it. Nobody loses any sleep.</p><p>I&#8217;d put money on versions of that conversation happening at researchED too, in reverse.</p><p>Two conferences full of people giving up their time to improve education. And what do we end up talking about? The failures of the other side.</p><p>It took a comment from a reader to spell it out for me.</p><h2>Taking the Argument to the other side</h2><p>Earlier this month I <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-education-research-is-for">wrote a Substack post</a> pushing back on Kelsey Piper&#8217;s piece in <em>The Argument</em>, which argued that education research is broken. I thought I was defending the field. I was &#8211; kind of.</p><p>But Marc, a reader, commented underneath and put me right.</p><p>Marc, who comes at education from the effective-teaching side, took the time to acknowledge what qualitative research can do that quantitative research can&#8217;t &#8211; and vice versa. But the point that really got to me was how research gets used:</p><blockquote><p><em>This is what causes me to think that mainstream education academics are often ideologically-driven: research is good if it supports &#8216;good&#8217; ideas.</em></p></blockquote><p>He was applying the line to one side. I think it applies to both, and I&#8217;m going to tell you why.</p><p>I&#8217;d written 2000 words defending the plurality of educational research methods, and underneath I&#8217;d taken a swipe at the people I&#8217;d most like to convince.</p><p>So this is me trying to think about it more carefully.</p><h2>Trads vs Progs. No, sorry, Reformers and Pragmatists</h2><p>Let me try a reframe. Imagine there are two groups of people researching and spreading &#8216;evidence&#8217; about education. (Evidence in air quotes, because they don&#8217;t always agree the other side really has any worth talking about.)</p><p>Let&#8217;s call one group <strong>reformers</strong> and the other <strong>pragmatists</strong>.</p><p>If you&#8217;ve spent time in these circles, this will start to sound familiar. Bear with me. The framing matters.</p><p>Reformers tend to think the system is broken and needs to change. They&#8217;re interested in students&#8217; experiences, teachers&#8217; experiences, the role of schools in reproducing inequality. They use qualitative methods alongside quantitative ones. They publish in academic journals read mostly by other reformers.</p><p>Pragmatists want to get better outcomes within the system as it currently is. They speak directly to teachers &#8211; often via blogs and books. They draw on cognitive science and the science of learning. They emphasise classroom experience and what works.</p><p>These are ideal types. Most researchers sit somewhere on a spectrum. But the public-facing versions of each camp tend to be sharper. Both contain serious work. Both have produced research that has improved schools &#8211; and children&#8217;s experiences within them. But both also produce caricatures that flatten the other side.</p><p>This makes the debate sound theoretical, but their disagreements shape what happens in schools: Should children be taught through direct instruction, or through more exploratory approaches? Should they learn a knowledge-rich curriculum, or one built around skills? How much should cognitive science shape day-to-day teaching? How should classrooms be run? How should teachers be trained?</p><p>Reformers and pragmatists don&#8217;t always sit on the opposite side of the fence on these debates &#8211; the issue is that they rarely debate at all. At least, not with the other camp. When the reformers acknowledge the pragmatists, they tend to dismiss them as reductive. When the pragmatists acknowledge the reformers, they tend to dismiss them as ideological.</p><p>Outside both camps &#8211; in the press, in policy, on social media &#8211; the dismissals get cruder still.</p><h2>Why we should care</h2><p>In February 2025, the US Department of Education&#8217;s Institute of Education Sciences was effectively dismantled &#8211; around 90% of staff cut, more than 100 active research contracts cancelled, the <em>Condition of Education</em> report missing its publication deadline for the first time in its history. The American Educational Research Association <a href="https://www.aera.net/Newsroom/AERA-Highlights-E-newsletter/AERA-Highlights-April-2025/AERA-Files-Lawsuit-Against-Education-Department">filed a lawsuit</a>; its Executive Director called the cuts &#8220;nothing short of a fundamental harm to the education research community.&#8221;</p><p>The UK hasn&#8217;t seen anything like this. But the political appetite for &#8216;evidence-based&#8217; rhetoric in service of preferred conclusions is not a uniquely American problem. As far back as 2013, Michael Gove was <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/education/2013/mar/21/michael-gove-professors-new-national-curriculum">distinguishing between &#8216;good academia and bad academia</a>&#8217; &#8211; bad academia being, conveniently, the academics who disagreed with his curriculum reforms. Former Schools Minister Nick Gibb <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/nick-gibb-the-importance-of-education-research">gave a speech</a> in which he approvingly cited the view that university lecturers &#8216;have to justify their existence with all that pointless theory.&#8217; Terry Wrigley wrote <a href="https://www.bera.ac.uk/blog/evidence-and-the-eef-toolkit-reliable-science-or-a-blunt-set-of-tools">a BERA blog</a> in 2018 setting out the same dynamic at greater length.</p><p>None of this is new. But the more we caricature each other, the weaker the public case for the field becomes &#8211; and the easier it is to dismiss. If you want to discredit education research, you don&#8217;t need to do the work yourself. You just point at the most heated bit of the trad/prog debate and say <em>look, they can&#8217;t even agree among themselves.</em></p><p>At the moment, the two sides are like parents: currently estranged; each thinking they&#8217;re the one doing best for the child; fighting for custody.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t have to be this way. Instead, we could look at what they have in common: a desire to improve the education system for those in it.</p><p>We could see pragmatists differently: as people serious about evidence; willing to translate research for the people who use it; unafraid to argue in public.</p><p>We could see reformers differently: as people who hold the structural questions in view and stop us treating each cohort of children as if the system around them didn&#8217;t exist.</p><p>How can we pontificate about learning when we close our own minds at the first sign of dissent?</p><h2>The personal touch</h2><p>After Covid, I quit teaching. It took me a while to work out why &#8211; in fact, I had to write a whole book proposal (cheaper than therapy, at least). It was a rollercoaster ride: half autobiography, half blistering critique of the educational system.</p><p>It ended with a conclusion. The system was broken. Broken because society&#8217;s incentive structure was all wrong. Exams matter because there&#8217;s limited room at the top. Outsized benefits for those who do best. An elite who want to protect what they have.</p><p>The solution? Rebuild society. Scrap the outsized incentive structures. A few simple changes. First, universal basic income. Second, huge taxation to reduce the &#8216;winner takes all&#8217; attitude. Third, election by lot, so we don&#8217;t have such a huge ratio of Old Etonians on the ballot paper.</p><p>I thought it sounded reasonable enough and sent it off to a couple of places. A few polite rejections. And those were the positive responses.</p><p>Then the days arrived where you can&#8217;t draft an email without getting an LLM to redraft it (more accurately, politely, concisely and closer to your true voice than you could do yourself &#8211; although admittedly it&#8217;s probably not hungover and two coffees short of optimal functioning). I ran my draft through Claude, hoping it would tell me I&#8217;m a genius and to forget about the literary world (which is even more dysfunctional than the world of educational research).</p><p>Sadly, it didn&#8217;t. All that talk about sycophantic AI? Doesn&#8217;t seem like it when I run my ideas through it.</p><p>Claude told me the writing was ok, but who was actually going to read it? A teacher might agree with parts, then get to the end and think, &#8216;right, yeah. Cheers for that.&#8217;</p><p>Had I been a bit less reformer and a bit more pragmatist, I might have got further. When we have one side without the other, we often fail to get any message across.</p><h2>Finding problems is the easy bit</h2><p>I am &#8211; in many ways &#8211; an extreme example. But I&#8217;m reminded of my own &#8216;if this doesn&#8217;t work, nothing will&#8217; conclusions when reading some academic papers and books. Academics are great at posing problems. Great at rigorous methodology. Even better at poking holes in other people&#8217;s rigorous methodology. Not so good at the &#8216;what do we do about this in the real world?&#8217; question.</p><p>There&#8217;s something comforting about the change-society-or-nothing position. The chances of society being restructured as a result of this post are fairly small. Even if Sir Keir does read it and take drastic action, I can claim he didn&#8217;t <em>quite do</em> what I suggested when things don&#8217;t work out.</p><p>Finding problems is the easy bit. Suggesting practical changes is harder and more dangerous. You put your reputation on the line. <em>Try this</em>, you say. And you&#8217;re judged by the results.</p><p>So I&#8217;m changing my approach. Moaning about the exam system while doing nothing for the actual kids I teach isn&#8217;t satisfying. I&#8217;ve spent years researching factors that promote and suppress curiosity in the classroom. I&#8217;m going to use that knowledge &#8211; in my own classroom, and in my writing, in the hope that others can benefit.</p><p>The motive is partly selfish: it will give me agency. But there&#8217;s also a genuinely more hopeful form of curiosity to focus on &#8211; one that teachers have much more control over. I want to spread the message.</p><p>I&#8217;ll carry on poking holes in the system, because it&#8217;s what I do.</p><p>I just don&#8217;t want it to be all I do.</p><p>As a reformer at heart, I specialise in seeing problems. So here&#8217;s me exercising my pragmatic muscles. A few ideas for next steps:</p><h2>Recommendations</h2><h3>1. Don&#8217;t weaponise the term &#8216;evidence&#8217;.</h3><p>Everyone wants teaching to be evidence-based, but when we disagree about what the term &#8216;evidence&#8217; means, the arguments will rumble on. We need to use the term more broadly. We can and should dispute methods and findings, but we should apply the same scrutiny whether the conclusions slot into our worldview or not. All evidence tells us something about the world; forgetting it shrinks our potential to improve children&#8217;s lives.</p><h3>2. Become comfortable with uncertainty</h3><p>It&#8217;s ok not to have all the answers. It&#8217;s ok to have questions. Especially when we speak to practitioners, we shouldn&#8217;t overstate the evidence. Data from the lab might be promising. Will it translate to the classroom? Who knows, we need to try it out. Equally, just because we have a small-scale study, we should not try to hide this. Be clear about the limitations and let someone else decide how they want to use your evidence.</p><h3>3. Get curious about the other side</h3><p>Attend a conference you would normally stay away from. Ask questions, even when you might get pushback. Don&#8217;t be afraid to show your ignorance. This is how we learn. Don&#8217;t attend to push an agenda &#8211; on either side. That closes doors. The flipside is to ensure transparency in our own methods and findings. Where possible, ensure others can scrutinise the work we&#8217;ve done, and prepare to enter into open debate.</p><h3>4. Share what you&#8217;ve found</h3><p>Education research isn&#8217;t blue-skies physics. The whole point is the practical benefit for society &#8211; broadly conceived. Researchers have an obligation to share what we&#8217;ve found, not as an afterthought, but as a central aim. Especially when that research is publicly funded.</p><h3>5. Work together to draw up questions</h3><p>We should discuss the questions, even when we disagree about how to reach the answers. We&#8217;re closer than we might think: how do children learn? What should they learn? What are the optimal conditions for this to take place? What other outcomes do we want for them? How do we assess these &#8211; including but going beyond exam results. Who is held accountable for all of this? Once we stop talking at cross-purposes, it becomes easier to have a constructive debate.</p><h2>Moving beyond the old battle lines</h2><p>Those are my suggestions for the field. Here&#8217;s how I&#8217;m going to start putting them into practice &#8211; on a personal scale.</p><p>I&#8217;m going to BERA in September to talk about the architecture of the school day, and how it suppresses curiosity in ways most teachers can see but feel powerless to change &#8211; hands-up questioning as the only sanctioned form of inquiry, practical work reduced to a tickbox protocol, social pressure that makes asking a question a confession of ignorance. That&#8217;s a critical argument. It&#8217;s drawn from my doctoral work. It belongs at BERA.</p><p>I&#8217;m going to researchED to talk about how teachers can engage students&#8217; curiosity in lessons. Make students curious and they will be thinking about the things we&#8217;re teaching &#8211; and there&#8217;s good neuroscientific and psychological evidence underpinning the links between curiosity, learning and achievement. That belongs at researchED.</p><p>I think I can do both. More posts coming on this Substack. Some about the system. Some about the classroom. Sometimes both at once.</p><p>To me, this is what it looks like to advocate for the field. Disagreement welcome &#8211; comments section is open. The version of education research that survives is the one that&#8217;s argued for in public, not just in journals.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><em>Thumbnail photo by <a href="https://unsplash.com/@arthur3607?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText">Arthur Tseng</a> on <a href="https://unsplash.com/photos/a-stone-bridge-over-a-river-with-a-cloudy-sky-0VsXG0GYpFA?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText">Unsplash</a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What Education Research Is For]]></title><description><![CDATA[Here&#8217;s the part Kelsey Piper can&#8217;t see]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-education-research-is-for</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-education-research-is-for</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2026 08:12:09 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/11e86745-4020-419d-a23e-18988079a2c9_2400x1611.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong> </strong>Before I began my PhD, I thought I knew what I was going to do: give a questionnaire to thousands of kids to show that their curiosity declined during schooling.</p><p>Research claims this happens. Nobody had proved it yet. Job done.</p><p>I didn&#8217;t do it, partly because educational research is hard.</p><p>You have to get ethical approval from your university, which takes months. You have to get children to sign up and take a questionnaire. Given the difficulty of getting them to complete a worksheet when they&#8217;re right in front of me and I can threaten them with detention, that&#8217;s a challenge. You&#8217;ve also got to get their parents to agree (and you&#8217;re not even allowed to trade their signature for a promise to look favourably on their kids&#8217; coursework).</p><p>So I didn&#8217;t do it.</p><p>Which is lucky, because the OECD had already asked tens of thousands of kids these questions and found out &#8211; in a much more robust way than I would have done &#8211; what happens to kids&#8217; curiosity when they get older. (<a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/do-schools-kill-curiosity">I&#8217;ve written it up here</a>.) The <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/over-140000-kids-from-around-the">OECD also runs PISA</a>, the international comparative study that governments treat as the gold standard of educational testing.</p><p>It&#8217;s not the sort of thing I do, though. I watch lessons. I speak to the children themselves. It takes a different set of skills from analysing 60,000 kids&#8217; questionnaires.</p><p>There are lots of ways to do educational research &#8211; <a href="https://www.theargumentmag.com/p/education-research-is-weak-and-sloppy">something I don&#8217;t think Kelsey Piper realises</a>.</p><p>Before I get to that, we need to talk about Jo.</p><h3>On Jo Boaler</h3><p>Piper opens with Jo Boaler. The methodological criticisms are serious &#8211; the <a href="https://nonpartisaneducation.org/Review/Articles/v8n1.pdf">2012 Bishop, Clopton and Milgram paper</a> on the Railside misrepresentations; <a href="https://www.educationnext.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/09/ednext_XXIII_4_loveless.pdf">Tom Loveless&#8217;s 2023 review</a>; a <a href="https://www.chronicle.com/article/stanford-math-education-expert-has-reckless-disregard-for-accuracy-complaint-alleges">2024 anonymous complaint</a> to Stanford alleging 52 citation misrepresentations, which Stanford declined to investigate as &#8216;scholarly disagreement.&#8217;</p><p>In summary: Boaler disputes the allegations; it hasn&#8217;t swayed her critics; her work helped shape a controversial California maths framework; she&#8217;s still employed by Stanford.</p><p>But of course there&#8217;s a larger story here, and it doesn&#8217;t reflect well on education research as a discipline. </p><p>Peer review eventually did its job, but &#8216;eventually&#8217; was after California had built its new curriculum based on her work. And look at where the pushback did come from: mathematicians, statisticians and policy experts. Where were the education researchers in all this?</p><p>And then there&#8217;s the <a href="https://doi.org/10.1038/s41586-026-10203-5">Nature reproducibility paper</a> Piper cites: 342 education papers examined; 69 contained quantitative claims that were eligible for reproducibility analysis (admittedly a small slice of the total quant work published in education over the decade); only a handful made it through the process; zero findings reproduced exactly.</p><p><a href="https://edpolicyhub.substack.com/p/ill-informed-essays-about-education">Not everyone agrees</a> the sample was representative &#8211; it omitted key journals and excluded qualitative work entirely. Still, there&#8217;s something we should all be able to agree on: quantitative education research can and should share code and data. Again, PISA&#8217;s the gold standard here.</p><p>Piper&#8217;s made a strong case, but here&#8217;s where it weakens.</p><p>The solutions she proposes &#8211; sharing analysis plans beforehand, conducting large-scale trials, hiring trained economists and ensuring methods are transparent &#8211; are not the discipline-changing blue-skies thinking she believes they are.</p><p>In fact, there are already a whole group of organisations doing some variation on what Piper proposes &#8211; evidence&#8209;mobilisation and &#8216;what works&#8217; bodies in education. You can find them in <a href="https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk">the UK</a>, <a href="https://evidenceforlearning.org.au">Australia</a>, <a href="https://www.nro.nl">Netherlands</a>, <a href="https://www.fundacionarauco.cl">Chile</a>, <a href="https://educaixa.com">Spain</a> (and <a href="https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/wwc/">the US</a> to some extent).</p><p>I interned in one for six months. Let me tell you more about how they work &#8211; and when they don&#8217;t.</p><h3>Inside the what-works project</h3><p>When I began teaching, I wondered why we <a href="https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a7a219140f0b66eab999f4f/Building_evidence_into_education.pdf">didn&#8217;t just run randomised controlled trials</a>, like medicine does. Take two groups of kids, try something with one group, try something different with the other, see who gets the best grades. As Piper puts it: test curriculum A against curriculum B and see which one gets the best results, making sure your methods are transparent. Why bother with anything else?</p><p>While they have branched out, this was the founding idea behind the UK&#8217;s Education Endowment Foundation. Piper argues &#8216;bring in the economists, apply the standards of their field&#8217;. We&#8217;re already doing it. When I interned in the EEF&#8217;s evaluation team, most of the team had an economics background. (I&#8217;m not an economist, but it doesn&#8217;t take much digging to see that economics has its own replication problems &#8211; as Drew Bailey, cited by Piper, pointed out in the comments.)</p><p>The EEF asks how we can improve attainment across the board and close the gap between the most disadvantaged and the most affluent students. It runs RCTs. It publishes findings. It demands the kind of methodological transparency Piper wants.</p><p>And the results are sobering.</p><p>A <a href="https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/ED625479.pdf">2021 review commissioned by EEF</a> themselves found that across seven interventions, when these were scaled up, the effect size dropped on average from 0.25 to 0.01. Using their <a href="https://d2tic4wvo1iusb.cloudfront.net/documents/toolkit/EEF-Toolkit-guide.pdf">own conversion</a>, before scaling, kids appeared to make 3 extra months of progress with the intervention; after, 0 months. <a href="https://eprints.whiterose.ac.uk/id/eprint/141754/3/LFI_2019_manuscript_supp.pdf">Another study</a>, reviewing 141 large-scale RCTs commissioned by the EEF and its US equivalent, involving over 1.2 million students, found the interventions gave kids about one additional month of progress.</p><p>This isn&#8217;t bad educational research. These are well-designed, well-funded, well-conducted trials. The results &#8211; <a href="https://educationendowmentfoundation.org.uk/projects-and-evaluation/promising-programmes/nuffield-early-language-intervention">when successful</a> &#8211; are used in thousands of classrooms across the country. But modelling educational research on what goes on in medicine has its limitations.</p><p>Medicine tests interventions on individual bodies where the mechanism is relatively stable across patients. Across a population, a drug that lowers cholesterol in Boston will lower cholesterol in Birmingham (although even in medicine, focus is moving towards personalised interventions). Also, as Greg Ashman points out (<a href="https://substack.com/@gregashman/p-194963513">see the comments</a>), a doctor can&#8217;t tell a placebo from the real article; a teacher knows when they&#8217;re trying out a shiny new intervention versus doing business as usual - that awareness is going to affect how they teach it.</p><p>A classroom isn&#8217;t a doctor&#8217;s surgery. Most teachers will tell you they&#8217;re already trying to maximise their students&#8217; exam grades. Maybe we&#8217;re now at the point of diminishing returns, given constraints like class size, funding, mixed ability grouping and timetabling.</p><p><a href="https://substack.com/@tommahoney/p-189343812">Neither is a classroom a laboratory</a>, where painstakingly-designed experiments can be faithfully reproduced again and again. Step into one (or, god forbid, stand near the interactive whiteboard) and you realise they&#8217;re a seething mass of interacting factors: the curriculum, teacher, students (and the dynamics between them), lesson material, weather and whether the kids have eaten lunch yet. A reading programme that raises scores in Manchester won&#8217;t necessarily raise them in Marseille.</p><p>It&#8217;s not about bad methodology; it&#8217;s the naivety of thinking we can do the same thing across every classroom and expect the same results.</p><p>Scale it up, surely, and the effect of these other variables dies away?</p><p>Wrong.</p><p>Scale up, as we saw, and the effect of the intervention often shrinks.</p><p>This is where a different type of educational research comes in, and it&#8217;s one <a href="https://d2tic4wvo1iusb.cloudfront.net/documents/evaluation/evaluation-design/IPE_guidance.pdf">the EEF already does</a>. They don&#8217;t just run the trial, they also send researchers into schools to check whether the teachers are running the programme as they should.</p><p>This is qualitative research. It doesn&#8217;t produce shareable code or replicable regression coefficients, because it&#8217;s asking other kinds of question: what does this experience actually feel like to the people inside it? What makes a teacher abandon a programme in week three? What does a child do when she can&#8217;t keep up?</p><p>These are real questions. They have real answers. But the answers don&#8217;t fit the format the Nature reproducibility paper measures. You can&#8217;t just run the same code again across fifty interviews in R.</p><p>If you reduce education research to &#8216;how can we use methods from economics to transparently work out the best curriculum to maximise kids&#8217; grades&#8217; you miss something.</p><p>You miss the collateral when all you care about are these results.</p><h3>What does it feel like to be labelled &#8216;low attaining&#8217;?</h3><p><a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/bottom-set">I wrote about Saffa&#8217;s experiences</a> in a previous post. If you realise that school isn&#8217;t for you &#8211; if you struggle in class, get kept in at break and lunch to catch up and attend intervention groups &#8211; what does that do to your sense of who you are?</p><p>You can survey a thousand kids &#8211; or ten thousand &#8211; but you won&#8217;t get the rich details that <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/00071005.2021.1998340">Eleanore Hargreaves, Laura Quick and Denise Buchanan</a> at UCL did when they followed 23 London children from the age of seven who had been labelled &#8216;low attaining&#8217;.</p><p>Take Saffa. She loved art. Learning about pointillism was her favourite thing at school.</p><p>Did that mean she&#8217;d rather do art than maths each morning?</p><p>No &#8211; art would become &#8216;quite meaningless,&#8217; she said. &#8216;Because you have to do plus and take away and division and stuff.&#8217;</p><p>At seven, she&#8217;d already learnt which subjects counted and which didn&#8217;t. The curriculum hierarchy had overridden her passions. She also knew the stakes. If you didn&#8217;t listen in class: &#8216;You&#8217;ll just be a McDonald&#8217;s cooker, just flip patties. You will be unsuccessful.&#8217; And when she had to leave her friends to join a younger class for maths, she called it &#8216;the walk of shame.&#8217;</p><p>What if we got Saffa a couple of extra points in her GCSE exams? Wouldn&#8217;t that transform her life chances? Maybe. But she&#8217;s seven. She&#8217;s already doing the walk of shame. Will those points be enough to transform how she feels about herself?</p><p>What about Chrystal, too, who feels low attaining kids like her end up alone: &#8216;no-one cares&#8217; because &#8216;they have no friends to stand up for them&#8217;? <a href="https://doi.org/10.1080/14681366.2019.1689408">Or Neymar</a>, hiding in the toilets to avoid a maths test, despite how disgusting he finds the smell?</p><p>Seven years old. With nobody to tell their story except a group of researchers who may or may not have economics-level statistics knowledge, but who do have the deep training required to do qualitative research properly.</p><h3>The problems with qualitative research</h3><p>Qualitative research brings its own challenges, and transparency is one of them. The UCL team could upload their transcripts and observation notes, but that brings logistical challenges (my PhD interview transcripts total 150,000 words) and ethical ones &#8211; something in there might identify a participant. Name the school &#8211; as Piper suggests, and the comments underneath push back on &#8211; and you often have enough to name the participants.</p><p>These challenges aren&#8217;t insurmountable, though, and qualitative researchers should keep pushing for the highest standards (we just need to agree on what these are).</p><p>There&#8217;s also the issue of interpretation. Which of Saffa&#8217;s words do the researchers choose? How do they connect them with other students&#8217; experiences? The UCL team are experts at this. Read their papers and you can see the depth required to do the work. If you think it&#8217;s easy, try turning 150,000 words of transcript into a coherent and representative narrative.</p><p>In choosing to interview students and observe lessons, I found something much more interesting than I could have got from a survey alone. I caught the moments where a student asked a question and their classmate commented under their breath, or a teacher cut it off. And I saw the moments where children&#8217;s faces lit up during a practical, or a teacher took a question and ran with it, bringing the lesson to life.</p><p>These studies are not better than quantitative research. They sit alongside it. Numbers can tell you how children&#8217;s curiosity changes between ten and fifteen. But unless you watch the lessons and speak to the students and the teachers, you cannot fully understand why those changes happen.</p><h3>The case for education research</h3><p>A couple of days ago, my daughter saw a book on the shelf &#8211; Guy Claxton&#8217;s <em>What&#8217;s the point of school?</em></p><p>&#8216;Isn&#8217;t it obvious?&#8217; she said. &#8216;Learning.&#8217;</p><p>Even when I started teaching, I would have agreed. But the more time you spend in schools, the more children you speak to, the more you wonder: is this the best we can do for them?</p><p>Schools are happy to tell us what they&#8217;re for. They proudly display banners with their grand mission statements. Do they do what they say? Who holds them to account?</p><p>Inspections are a form of research. We use exam results to compare schools. Accountability is essential. But someone needs to hold the education system to account on behalf of the students.</p><p>There&#8217;s a place for large-scale and smaller-scale studies that investigate learning. The science of learning is complex and multidisciplinary, and there&#8217;s a lot we&#8217;re only beginning to understand about how the brain processes information. Piper&#8217;s prescription &#8211; better methods, more transparency, larger trials &#8211; would improve some of that work.</p><p>But it can&#8217;t tell Saffa&#8217;s story.</p><p>What Piper is calling for is a narrower field, not a stronger one. A field that produces only the kind of evidence her preferred standards can measure. Yes, it would be cleaner and easier to audit. But it would also be silent on most of what matters about what schools do to children.</p><p>If we jettisoned the rest of education research, we&#8217;d lose Saffa. And Chrystal. And Neymar. They&#8217;d disappear back into exam stats, where the only question we&#8217;d be allowed to ask is whether some intervention raised their scores by 0.06 standard deviations.</p><p>That&#8217;s not a stronger field. That&#8217;s a smaller one.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p><em>Thumbnail image by <a href="https://unsplash.com/@tokyo_boy?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText">kyo azuma</a> on <a href="https://unsplash.com/photos/empty-building-hallway-x_TJKVU1FJA?utm_source=unsplash&amp;utm_medium=referral&amp;utm_content=creditCopyText">Unsplash</a></em></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Why don’t students like school? Do we need to ask Gove?]]></title><description><![CDATA[A reply to Daisy Christodoulou&#8217;s &#8216;Do knowledge-rich curriculums cause mental health problems?&#8217;]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/why-dont-students-like-school-do</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/why-dont-students-like-school-do</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2026 09:43:07 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!zRbB!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fe237aa57-9e99-442c-a596-5e838dbbb663_1224x724.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something isn&#8217;t working in our schools. The number of persistent absentees &#8211; students missing more than one in ten days of school &#8211; is almost double what it was before the pandemic, and remains <a href="https://www.ons.gov.uk/explore-local-statistics/indicators/persistent-absences-for-all-pupils">stubbornly high</a>.</p><p>There are empty seats in my classroom. When those students do come into school, it&#8217;s clear that many of them are struggling to cope.</p><p>Can we pin these struggles on school policy, or are the causes broader than this?</p><p>This is the question <a href="https://substack.nomoremarking.com/p/do-knowledge-rich-curriculums-cause">Daisy Christodoulou took up</a> in a recent post.</p><p>I&#8217;m going to split my reply into three parts:</p><p>First, what I agree with.</p><p>Second, I&#8217;ll investigate the data she didn&#8217;t include.</p><p>Third, I&#8217;ll ask what the knowledge-rich curriculum aimed to do, and judge it against its own targets (well, one in particular).</p><h2>One &#8211; what I agree with</h2><p>Too often, we talk about what happens in UK schools when what we mean is England.</p><p>Also, teen mental health has fallen across rich countries for reasons that have little to do with whether or not we now celebrate &#8216;our island story&#8217;, as Gove famously asked teachers to do.</p><p>And in terms of PISA data (<a href="https://ifs.org.uk/publications/state-education-what-awaits-next-government">which I assume she&#8217;s referring to</a>), while England hasn&#8217;t improved in absolute terms, given the international falls since covid, treading water is an achievement in itself. England has improved in comparison to the G7, whole sample averages and the other UK nations.</p><p>All of this seems reasonable enough.</p><p>She also conducts a &#8216;quasi-experiment&#8217; using the devolved nations of the UK. Compare England to Wales and Scotland: if Scotland and Wales chose very different curriculum paths and ended up with similar wellbeing results, then curriculum policy can&#8217;t be doing much here.</p><p>This seems fair. And the numbers appear to support it.</p><p>But a closer look at the data she cites muddies the water.</p><h2>What she argues</h2><p>Christodoulou&#8217;s claim rests on the WHO&#8217;s <a href="https://data-browser.hbsc.org">Health Behaviour in School-Aged Children (HBSC) survey</a>. She uses three charts of 15-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales &#8211; life satisfaction, liking school, and feeling pressured by schoolwork &#8211; to point out how similar the three countries look.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k6aL!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7d0630d-2da4-4f85-82e6-3b6e061e57e2_1532x962.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!k6aL!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc7d0630d-2da4-4f85-82e6-3b6e061e57e2_1532x962.png 424w, 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>From this she concludes:</p><blockquote><p><em>Their education policies and attainment scores have definitely diverged. But happiness and wellbeing have not.</em></p></blockquote><p>Her argument: if curriculum policy mattered for wellbeing, English 15-year-olds would be doing worse than their Scottish and Welsh peers. There is no difference. So no smoking gun.</p><p>That&#8217;s reasonable from the charts she shows.</p><p>But what about the ones she doesn&#8217;t?</p><h2>What happens at 11 and 13?</h2><p>HBSC doesn&#8217;t just survey 15-year-olds. It also covers 11- and 13-year-olds.</p><p>If curriculum reform is affecting school experience, these ages are exactly where we would expect to see it most clearly. Especially on the two questions that cover attitudes to school.</p><p>Christodoulou doesn&#8217;t include that data. Here&#8217;s why.</p><p>First, the proportion of pupils who say they feel pressured by schoolwork, in 2014 and 2022:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IM5_!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a4d5dec-9ff9-4ab5-ac78-325f7555adf6_1226x726.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IM5_!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a4d5dec-9ff9-4ab5-ac78-325f7555adf6_1226x726.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!IM5_!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3a4d5dec-9ff9-4ab5-ac78-325f7555adf6_1226x726.png 848w, 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We&#8217;ll talk about why this is such an important question for the knowledge-rich curriculum in a moment.</p><p>First, here are the numbers at 15 again:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_37G!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b2534f1-56fd-4fbe-809f-0cfe906943fb_1580x964.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!_37G!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0b2534f1-56fd-4fbe-809f-0cfe906943fb_1580x964.png 424w, 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But the vast majority of Welsh and Scottish teens don&#8217;t either.&#8217;</p><p>The fall is largest for English 15-year-olds, but the findings are stark &#8211; lots of children don&#8217;t like school a lot.</p><p>Now let&#8217;s see what happens to those bright-eyed 11-year-olds just starting secondary school, and their 13-year-old peers.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ylHl!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d4cbdde-61f2-4143-8ed0-c3082df140a8_1224x718.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ylHl!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F3d4cbdde-61f2-4143-8ed0-c3082df140a8_1224x718.png 424w, 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For 13-year-old girls, from 26 per cent to 8 per cent &#8212; a drop of more than two thirds, the steepest fall of any UK group on any age band.</p><p>Again, the English change is larger than that of Wales or Scotland on almost every comparison.</p><p>These aren&#8217;t small gaps. With roughly 1,500 to 2,500 students sampled per nation at each age band, the 15-point divergence between England and its neighbours is unlikely to be statistical noise.</p><p>Christodoulou&#8217;s headline claim &#8211; that wellbeing has not diverged between the three nations &#8211; is true only at 15. At 11 and 13, it has, using her own source (and her own words), &#8216;definitely diverged&#8217;.</p><p>It&#8217;s also worth asking here if we&#8217;re looking at general wellbeing or something more specific &#8211; how students feel about school, and what school is doing to students.</p><h2>But wasn&#8217;t this just Covid?</h2><p>The obvious objection is timing. English pupils took the survey between December 2021 and April 2022, when the country&#8217;s schools had things besides a questionnaire to contend with: Covid&#8217;s Omicron wave, staff shortages, Year 6 pupils who had just sat the first post-pandemic SATs in a chaotic catch-up year.</p><p>It&#8217;s not all that surprising English 11-year-olds felt pressured.</p><p>But Covid hit Scottish and Welsh 11-year-olds too. If the pandemic was the dominant story, we would expect similar shocks across all three nations. Instead, the English change is substantially larger than the Welsh and Scottish change, both on school pressure and on liking school.</p><p>The pandemic affected every student in each country. Something above and beyond this is showing up in the English data.</p><p>Is it catch-up intensity in English primaries, the weight of the English SATs regime, accountability pressure passed down from secondary league tables, a cultural shift in how English primary schools operate?</p><p>It might not be the knowledge-rich curriculum, but Christodoulou could do a little more in investigating why the pressure ramped up for English students.</p><h2>The symmetry problem</h2><p>Christodoulou argues that global trends in teen wellbeing can&#8217;t be explained by English school policy alone.</p><p>But this isn&#8217;t quite what the data says.</p><p>She slides between three things &#8211; clinical mental health, general wellbeing, and how children feel about school &#8211; as though they&#8217;re the same category. They&#8217;re related, of course, but those changes in English children&#8217;s school experience deserve their own explanation, above and beyond smartphones and the pandemic.</p><p>There&#8217;s a bigger problem: Christodoulou also credits English curriculum policy for the fact that English attainment has held up better than Scottish or Welsh attainment on PISA, against a backdrop of global decline.</p><p>This is important. The Gove reforms were sold not just as attainment policy but as a route to greater motivation and enjoyment of school. If curriculum policy is powerful enough to buck a global attainment decline, it&#8217;s powerful enough to be part of the explanation when children report pressure and dislike of school &#8211; especially when its own architects promised it would do the opposite.</p><h2>Why don&#8217;t students like school?</h2><p>Michael Gove&#8217;s reforms were sold, in part, as a route to greater motivation.</p><p>In his 2012 speech &#8216;In praise of tests&#8217; <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/secretary-of-state-for-education-michael-gove-gives-speech-to-iaa">he told his audience</a>:</p><blockquote><p><em>Exams matter because the happiness I have described sustains future progress. We know that happiness comes from earned success.</em></p></blockquote><p>He cited the cognitive science of Daniel Willingham &#8211; author of <em>Why Don&#8217;t Students Like School?</em> &#8211; and Willingham&#8217;s argument that genuine mastery produces the kind of satisfaction that shallow engagement can&#8217;t. In &#8216;The purpose of our school reforms&#8217; two years later, <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/the-purpose-of-our-school-reforms">Gove praised Willingham and Christodoulou by name</a> as the thinkers whose work underpinned his curriculum changes.</p><p>Gove&#8217;s reforms weren&#8217;t intended just to gain a few more PISA points. Motivation and enjoyment of school were a key part of their justification.</p><p>Yet, sixteen years on, English children report the steepest decline in liking school of any UK nation.</p><p>The proportion of 11-year-old English girls who feel pressured by schoolwork has doubled.</p><p>We can&#8217;t necessarily blame the failure of Willingham&#8217;s cognitive science &#8211; again, this is a complex topic. But if Gove wanted us to judge the reforms on their ability to improve children&#8217;s enjoyment of school, we need to ask serious questions about whether they&#8217;ve been successful here.</p><p>More bluntly, if curriculum reform was meant to affect how children feel about school, we can&#8217;t now say that how children feel about school is none of curriculum&#8217;s business.</p><h2>Why this matters</h2><p>Just as we can&#8217;t prove that the curriculum changes caused England&#8217;s PISA success relative to its UK neighbours, the HBSC data can&#8217;t prove that knowledge-rich curriculum reform caused English children to feel worse. There are enough candidate explanations for the English divergence at 11 and 13 to publish a book on it.</p><p>But Christodoulou argues that the HBSC data lets us rule curriculum reform out as a factor.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t.</p><p>11- and 13-year-olds&#8217; perceived pressure due to schoolwork in England has increased relative to children in Wales and Scotland. Their enjoyment of school has plummeted. Any honest reading of the evidence has to engage with that rather than crop it out.</p><p>&#8216;Sometimes the problems we think are unique to our own system are not,&#8217; Christodoulou writes.</p><p>That&#8217;s true. Teen wellbeing &#8211; both general satisfaction and school-related measures &#8211; have fallen. They&#8217;ve fallen across wealthy countries, and Anglophone ones in particular, as she points out. No single policy lever will fix it.</p><p>But we could say the same for PISA scores. Well, they&#8217;re complex. Let&#8217;s just accept that&#8217;s the way they are.</p><p>An education secretary who tried this would be out the door the next morning.</p><p>Why don&#8217;t we pay the same attention to the statistics that are more meaningful to students themselves? The one in five children in England who are persistently absent from school. The 11-year-olds who feel pressured by their schoolwork. Those 13-year-olds who no longer like school.</p><p>Christodoulou is right that we shouldn&#8217;t blame Michael Gove for everything. But &#8216;not everything&#8217; and &#8216;nothing&#8217; are different claims.</p><p>The data she cites supports the first.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t support the second.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[‘Sir, are we bottom set?’]]></title><description><![CDATA[What children really learn in a system built on high-stakes testing]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/bottom-set</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/bottom-set</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2026 06:56:16 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CcI-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e2f21c3-6e94-45c7-994f-34ed270d551b_7436x4353.heic" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h3>Jason&#8217;s Story</h3><p>In <em>Assessing Children&#8217;s Learning</em>, Mary Jane Drummond tells the story of Jason.</p><p>Jason is seven and a half. He&#8217;s been at school for nearly three years. Now he&#8217;s taking a maths test in the school hall with the rest of his class.</p><p>Out of thirty-six questions, Jason gets one correct.</p><p>Jason hasn&#8217;t learnt much maths, Drummond says. But he&#8217;s learnt quite a bit about how to be a good pupil:</p><p>&#8216;He has learnt how to take a test. His answers are written neatly, with the sharpest of pencils. When he reverses a digit and sees a mistake, he crosses it out tidily. He places his answers on the line or in the box as instructed&#8230;&#8217;</p><p>Jason doesn&#8217;t understand a thing on the paper, but he knows he can&#8217;t get angry and turn the table over. He can&#8217;t shout. He can&#8217;t speak to the child next to him.</p><p>He knows he&#8217;s sitting a maths test, and he knows he has to write numbers.</p><h3>What Jason has really learnt</h3><p>Exams, as Jason has shown us, breed compliance.</p><p>I used to lead a team of exam invigilators. It was only when I found myself standing through my tenth assembly on exam regulations that it occurred to me what a strange ritual exams are:</p><p>Silence.</p><p>No communication of any kind.</p><p>No phones. No writing on your arm. Clear pencil case. You&#8217;re recognised by a candidate number, not your name.</p><p>Why go to such extremes?</p><p>Because pass or fail, <em>you do so on your own merit</em>. In that exam hall, there can be no excuses. No unfair advantages.</p><p>And the stakes are real.</p><p>In 2015, England&#8217;s <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/news/school-success-adds-140000-to-wages-research-reveals">Department for Education announced</a> that &#8216;knuckling down and succeeding in school puts an average of &#163;140,000 in a young person&#8217;s back pocket.&#8217;</p><p>(How much of a difference does &#8216;knuckling down&#8217; at school really make? I looked at what the data actually shows in <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/pulling-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps">my previous post</a>.)</p><p>By 2021, inflation had struck: <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/news/higher-gcse-grades-linked-to-lifetime-earnings-boost">the DfE estimated</a> that gaining one grade higher across a full set of GCSEs was linked to around &#163;200,000 more in lifetime earnings. The conclusion? Develop new policies &#8216;to help pupils achieve better GCSE grades&#8217;.</p><p>For the DfE, exams are the focus. They drive policy &#8211; and the rules ensure a level playing field.</p><p>Sure, there are concessions. Extra time for pupils who need it. A separate room if sitting the exam in a hall would be too much. Different coloured paper, different sized scripts.</p><p>All carefully designed to make exams appear scrupulously fair. There can be no claim that the odds were stacked against you. If you fail maths, that must mean you&#8217;re a failure in maths.</p><p>What other explanation could there be?</p><h3>I&#8217;m bottom set in maths too</h3><p>I recently taught a lesson to a class of 14-year-olds. It didn&#8217;t go all that well.</p><p>One of the students put her hand up:</p><p>&#8216;Sir, are we bottom set?&#8217;</p><p>She&#8217;d nailed it.</p><p>For those unfamiliar: in many secondary schools in England, kids are sorted into classes by ability &#8211; based on previous test results. This class hadn&#8217;t done well on theirs. <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00131881.2010.524750">Research shows</a> that having a lower household income or special educational need is a powerful predictor of those who end up in the bottom set, regardless of ability.</p><p>I didn&#8217;t want to answer in front of the class. I told her to stay back at the end if she wanted to talk about it.</p><p>I was hoping she&#8217;d forget. She didn&#8217;t.</p><p>&#8216;I&#8217;m bottom set in maths, too,&#8217; was all she said before heading off to lunch.</p><p>Not, I&#8217;m <em>in</em> the bottom set, but I <em>am</em> bottom set.</p><p>A couple of weeks earlier, in my first lesson with the group, another student told me she was stupid. It was one of the first things she said to me, as if preparing me for disappointment.</p><h3>You&#8217;ll just be a McDonald&#8217;s cooker, just flip patties</h3><p>These are not unusual moments. Any teacher in a comprehensive school will recognise them. What&#8217;s frightening is how early the process begins.</p><p>Eleanore Hargreaves, Laura Quick and Denise Buchanan at University College London <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/00071005.2021.1998340">followed 23 children labelled &#8216;low attaining&#8217;</a> from the age of seven.</p><p>Saffa loved art &#8211; learning about pointillism was her favourite thing at school.</p><p>Did that mean she&#8217;d rather do art than maths each morning?</p><p>No &#8211; art would become &#8216;quite meaningless,&#8217; she said. &#8216;Because you have to do plus and take away and division and stuff.&#8217;</p><p>At seven, she&#8217;d already learnt which subjects counted and which didn&#8217;t. The curriculum hierarchy had overridden her passions.</p><p>She also knew the stakes. If you didn&#8217;t listen in class, &#8216;You&#8217;ll just be a McDonald&#8217;s cooker, just flip patties. You will be unsuccessful.&#8217;</p><p>And when she had to leave her friends to join a younger class for maths, she called it &#8216;The walk of shame.&#8217;</p><p>The children understood that the way to succeed was through what the researchers called &#8216;compliant hard work&#8217;: listening, concentrating, doing what you&#8217;re told.</p><p>Bob, who was struggling himself, prescribed the same medicine for a classmate who wasn&#8217;t doing well. What should the teacher do? &#8216;Let her stay for her whole lunchtime&#8230; Work!&#8217;</p><p>But compliance wasn&#8217;t protecting them. Jake worried that struggling children would be told: &#8216;Oh you&#8217;re bad at mathematics, oh you&#8217;re bad at English&#8230; Oh you&#8217;re not smart.&#8217;</p><p>Chrystal felt that children like her would end up alone: &#8216;no-one cares&#8217; because &#8216;they have no friends to stand up for them&#8217;.</p><p><a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/14681366.2019.1689408">Ben dreaded passing the headteacher&#8217;s office</a>, terrified they&#8217;d call him in and tell him he had to go down a class. The fear existed only in his head &#8211; but stayed there across several terms.</p><p>Neymar hid in the toilets to avoid a maths test, despite how disgusting he found the smell. When the teacher found him, he complained of a tummy ache.</p><p>All except two said school was boring.</p><p>Seven years old. Already ranking themselves. Already afraid.</p><p>Already convinced that hard work was the answer &#8211; inside a system that had already decided they weren&#8217;t good enough.</p><h3>Stop napping!</h3><p>These children&#8217;s experiences don&#8217;t happen in a vacuum. They&#8217;re produced by a system that has steadily constricted around what can be measured.</p><p>In the US, social studies, art, music and physical education <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/0305764X.2011.607151">have all been squeezed</a> to make room for tested subjects. Even time spent on science &#8211; supposedly a core subject &#8211; has decreased by a third to make room for English and maths.</p><p>The pressure of standardised testing was so great that one school superintendent stopped kindergarteners from napping. Another school cut lunch to less than fifteen minutes.</p><p>In England, <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/01425692.2021.1878873">Alice Bradbury and colleagues</a> found that children as young as five are being grouped by ability based on phonics knowledge. And it intensifies as high-stakes SATs approach at 10&#8211;11. They surveyed 288 primary headteachers. 35% agreed that &#8216;SATs mean we have to group by ability&#8217; in English. In maths, this rose to 47%.</p><p>Several heads were uncomfortable with this. One said: &#8216;Pupils get into a psyche of failure because they&#8217;ve always been in the bottom set&#8230; You&#8217;re just written off.&#8217;</p><p>Another felt ability grouping was necessary so that the children would learn to cope with the test pressure, but said: &#8216;I worry about the effect this has on children&#8217;s maths mindsets and it goes against everything I believe in.&#8217;</p><p>But they felt they had no choice.</p><h3>The measurement becomes the purpose</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!CcI-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7e2f21c3-6e94-45c7-994f-34ed270d551b_7436x4353.heic" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a><figcaption class="image-caption"><em>Albert Anker, The School Exam, 1862 &#8212; the same year as Lowe&#8217;s Revised Code. Kunstmuseum Bern, via Wikimedia Commons.</em></figcaption></figure></div><p>It&#8217;s impossible to put a date on the beginning of mass education in England, but 1862 was a significant year: Viscount Robert Lowe&#8217;s Revised Code.</p><p>Schools would receive government funding based on how many children passed tests in reading, writing and arithmetic. Inspectors would visit, examine the pupils, and the grant rose or fell according to the results.</p><p>When their salary depended on it, what did the teachers do?</p><p>They taught to the test.</p><p>Matthew Arnold &#8211; Victorian England&#8217;s most celebrated poet, who also spent 35 years as a schools inspector &#8211; watched it happen: &#8216;it is now found possible, by ingenious preparation, to get children through the examination in reading, writing and ciphering, without their really knowing how to read, write or cipher.&#8217; (It would be cool if kids used to learn codebreaking, but cipher here just means maths.)</p><p>Arnold could see it coming.</p><p>He warned that tying school grants to a minimum test standard &#8216;must inevitably concentrate the teacher&#8217;s attention on the means of producing this minimum and not simply on the good instruction of his school. The danger to be guarded against is the mistake of treating these two&#8230; as if they were identical.&#8217;</p><p>The original idea of a good schooling would be forgotten. Passing exams would <em>become</em> a good education.</p><p>Five years later, the vote was extended to the working classes. Lowe announced: &#8216;we must educate our masters.&#8217; Now the working classes could vote according to their beliefs, it was imperative they hold the <em>right kind</em> of beliefs.</p><p>The Revised Code was eventually abandoned. But the instinct behind it &#8211; measure children, fund accordingly, trust the numbers &#8211; never went away.</p><p>As psychologist Donald T. Campbell put it over a century later: &#8216;The more any quantitative social indicator is used for social decision-making, the more subject it will be to corruption pressures and the more apt it will be to distort and corrupt the social processes it is intended to monitor.&#8217;</p><p>In schools, no social indicator is more powerful than exams.</p><p>We&#8217;ve built a system around measuring children, and the measurement has swallowed everything else. The curriculum narrows to fit what&#8217;s tested. Children are sorted by their results. Teachers who value curiosity and creativity find there&#8217;s no room for either.</p><h3>Who&#8217;s failing the &#8216;low attainers&#8217;?</h3><p>It is not the teachers who are failing Saffa, Ben and Neymar. The teachers are keeping seven-year-olds in over break to catch up when they&#8217;d probably rather be having a cup of tea in the staffroom.</p><p>Headteachers are grouping students by ability to prepare for high-stakes testing at age 11. They believe they&#8217;re doing the best for the students, often against their own instincts to protect them.</p><p>Exams consistently favour those from wealthier backgrounds &#8211; <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/pulling-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps">as I explored in my previous post</a>. In every one of the 19 countries where the PISA data allowed a comparison, wealthier students who didn&#8217;t believe in the value of hard work outperformed poorer students who saw themselves as gritty &#8211; by a wide margin.</p><p>From government ministers to classroom teachers, everyone agrees that these inbuilt biases are wrong and that we must do everything we can to correct them.</p><p>But who deals with the fallout when the kids realise the system has placed them on the bottom rung of the academic ladder?</p><p>Not the government ministers.</p><p>What if nothing works because exams are designed to discriminate?</p><p>What if the main effect of everything we do to correct the gap &#8211; grouping by prior attainment, extra work over break, intervention classes, all the mindset programmes &#8211; is to form an identity in low attainers <em>as low attainers</em>?</p><p>It&#8217;s such a strange system that, at some point, it stops feeling like a design fault and starts to feel like a design feature.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Can you really ‘pull yourself up by your bootstraps’ at school?]]></title><description><![CDATA[I took PISA data on 140,000 students and compared the 'rich and lazy' to the 'poor and hardworking.' The results make for uncomfortable reading.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/pulling-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/pulling-yourself-up-by-your-bootstraps</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2026 07:26:02 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/c58241e4-0ff1-4392-9425-5f39066adbce_1888x985.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks ago, <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/over-140000-kids-from-around-the">I published some data</a> on curiosity, grit and growth mindset and asked which one best predicts a student&#8217;s test scores.</p><p><a href="https://medium.com/age-of-awareness/over-140-000-kids-were-tested-to-see-which-is-most-important-for-success-grit-or-growth-mindset-abe4ad8759d0">Someone left a comment</a>:</p><p><em>A child&#8217;s success in life is overwhelmingly determined by the family they come from. <br><br>Wealthy, socially-politically connected, educated, higher IQ parents. Born into a family culture of discipline and thoughtfulness. <br><br>Advancing in young adulthood on the family wealth cushion, that grants that child the security, freedom, time, and informational access to fly above the mean survival grind, &#8230;..<br><br>An individual child&#8217;s innate characteristics, or how much they&#8217;re able to &#8220;bootstrap&#8221; themselves by self-aware conscientious effort and psychological conditioning (with or without institutional education) has some impact, in some cases.<br><br>But it is NOT the overarching life success determinant for the overwhelming majority of children.</em></p><p>So, is the commenter right?</p><h3>Getting curious about grit and growth mindset</h3><p>Recently, schools have been pushing &#8216;grit&#8217; &#8211; a concept popularised by psychologist Angela Duckworth, that is usually taken to mean persistence. How hard are you willing to work at something before you give up?</p><p>Before that, schools were all about Carol Dweck&#8217;s growth mindset: success comes by believing that your academic ability is malleable rather than fixed. You can improve your intelligence by working at it.</p><p>In the OECD&#8217;s PISA questionnaire, they survey hundreds of thousands of kids from across the globe. As well as testing for achievement in mathematics, reading and science, they ask about the kids&#8217; persistence (which I equated with grit), growth mindset and curiosity.</p><p>My question: which has the strongest association with test scores?</p><h3>Crunching the numbers</h3><p>Over 140,000 kids across nineteen countries were asked about all three &#8216;social and emotional skills&#8217; (as the OECD call them).</p><p>In that post, I ranked the top 10% in each trait as if they were countries. We&#8217;ll come back to this later. Here, I want to show the results a bit differently. If you want the full methodological detail on how I handled the PISA data, <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/over-140000-kids-from-around-the">it&#8217;s in the last post</a>. The same caveats apply here.</p><p>Let&#8217;s take the top 10% of students in grit (or growth mindset, or curiosity). What are their chances of being in the top 10% in one of the tests &#8211; reading, maths or science &#8211; versus those in the bottom 10% for grit?</p><p>This is called an &#8216;odds ratio&#8217;.</p><p>There are about 140,000 kids in our sample. 14,000 of those are in the top 10% in any test result. Let&#8217;s make up some numbers to show how odds ratios work.</p><p>Imagine that out of the top 14,000 students in maths, 4,000 of these are in the top 10% of grit versus 2,000 in the bottom 10% of grit. This gives us a ratio of 2. Top-10% grit students are twice as likely as those lowest on grit to be top scorers.</p><p>The baseline is obviously 1. If grit has no effect on test score, you&#8217;ll have the same number from the top 10% in grit as the bottom 10% in grit.</p><p>Anything <em>below</em> 1 means that it&#8217;s better to have a <em>lower</em> grit score.</p><p>Anything <em>above</em> 1 means grit (or growth mindset or curiosity) wins out.</p><p>So, how do our gritty, growth mindset and curious students compare across the three subjects?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!my66!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea20f0ec-b0d1-4f24-bb58-4f830e6507a4_904x590.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!my66!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea20f0ec-b0d1-4f24-bb58-4f830e6507a4_904x590.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!my66!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea20f0ec-b0d1-4f24-bb58-4f830e6507a4_904x590.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!my66!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea20f0ec-b0d1-4f24-bb58-4f830e6507a4_904x590.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!my66!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fea20f0ec-b0d1-4f24-bb58-4f830e6507a4_904x590.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" 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You&#8217;re between 50% and 80% more likely to top-score in maths, reading or science if you&#8217;re in the top 10% for grit than someone in the bottom 10% for grit.</p><p>Even better, though, to have a growth mindset: you&#8217;re twice as likely to ace the tests than someone with very low growth mindset.</p><p>Best of all is to be curious.</p><p>Those who are top in curiosity are between 3 and 4 times more likely to be found in the top 10% of the test scores than those who are lowest in curiosity.</p><p>Case closed. Why push grit or growth mindset when you could focus on curiosity instead?</p><p>But was I ignoring something with a far bigger impact than any of these?</p><h3>Family circumstances</h3><p>Wealth, personal connections, better educated parents with a higher IQ &#8211; we can&#8217;t test all of these, let alone a family culture of discipline or thoughtfulness.</p><p>But we can test some of them.</p><p>Let&#8217;s take <strong>household wealth</strong>: in PISA, students go through a list of 30-odd household items. Do they have a room of their own? A desk to study at? How many screens? And more categories of books than you&#8217;d ever thought about. PISA doesn&#8217;t ask about household income, but the HOMEPOS (home possessions) category is the closest thing we&#8217;ve got.</p><p>Next is students&#8217; <strong>parents&#8217; occupation</strong>. These are coded against a standard classification which maps each job to a prestige score. It&#8217;s a ranking system, where a surgeon would outscore a shop assistant.</p><p>We even have a category that gives us <strong>parents&#8217; education</strong>, which asks how long each parent spent in education and takes the highest scorer (e.g., if mum did a master&#8217;s course, she&#8217;d get around seventeen years). The categorisation is too rough to get the top 10%, so we can&#8217;t include it in a fair comparison, but we will bring it in later.</p><p>Then we let the computer programme do the magic.</p><p>For household wealth and parental occupation, how many of those in the top 10% do we find at the top of the maths, reading and science charts versus those in the bottom 10%? This gives us our odds ratios.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKZG!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9c2a4aa-f994-4194-b6f4-517b3686b75f_1428x1140.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKZG!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9c2a4aa-f994-4194-b6f4-517b3686b75f_1428x1140.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKZG!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9c2a4aa-f994-4194-b6f4-517b3686b75f_1428x1140.png 848w, 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https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKZG!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9c2a4aa-f994-4194-b6f4-517b3686b75f_1428x1140.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKZG!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9c2a4aa-f994-4194-b6f4-517b3686b75f_1428x1140.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oKZG!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff9c2a4aa-f994-4194-b6f4-517b3686b75f_1428x1140.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" 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y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>That changes things.</p><p>Curiosity, which looked so towering and impressive on the last graph, has shrunk next to parental occupation and household wealth.</p><p>If one or both of your parents are in a high-prestige job, you&#8217;ve got between six and seven times more chance of being at the top of the test ranking than someone with a low-prestige job.</p><p>And the difference is even starker with household wealth.</p><p>Those at the top of the wealth charts are between ten and <em>eighteen</em> times more likely to be found in the top 10% of the maths, reading and science scores.</p><p>But parental occupations and wealth are linked. Those surgeons are likely to be making much more than the shop assistants. Our measurements will overlap.</p><p>So PISA rolls it all &#8211; wealth, education and occupational status &#8211; into a single measure: socioeconomic status (SES). It&#8217;s PISA&#8217;s best single measure of family background.</p><p>If the commenter was right, we&#8217;d expect the odds from having a high SES to massively outweigh those of grit, growth mindset and curiosity.</p><p>Do they?</p><h3>Family Status &#8211; the overwhelming factor driving success?</h3><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f3We!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa707207c-49c6-4676-a1db-11144dd5278f_904x500.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!f3We!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa707207c-49c6-4676-a1db-11144dd5278f_904x500.png 424w, 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Yes.</p><p>Socioeconomic status wins out. It dwarfs any effect from grit, growth mindset or curiosity, although it&#8217;s fairly similar to the effect of household wealth (which has a much larger impact on reading scores, interestingly).</p><p>Let&#8217;s imagine that those in the top 10% for socioeconomic status were their own country and let&#8217;s plot them again the other countries in our sample, as we did last time with grit, growth mindset and curiosity.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Y2-w!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7eac656-1fd1-430a-be74-767b11acf7bd_1424x1126.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Y2-w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7eac656-1fd1-430a-be74-767b11acf7bd_1424x1126.png" width="1424" height="1126" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b7eac656-1fd1-430a-be74-767b11acf7bd_1424x1126.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1126,&quot;width&quot;:1424,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Y2-w!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7eac656-1fd1-430a-be74-767b11acf7bd_1424x1126.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Y2-w!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7eac656-1fd1-430a-be74-767b11acf7bd_1424x1126.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Y2-w!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7eac656-1fd1-430a-be74-767b11acf7bd_1424x1126.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Y2-w!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb7eac656-1fd1-430a-be74-767b11acf7bd_1424x1126.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Anything that gets you above Singapore is enough to make headlines and change educational policy.</p><p>I can almost hear the education ministers clamouring: &#8216;what is this thing SES and how do we give our kids more of it?&#8217;</p><p>For reference, the OECD say that a score of 20 points higher on the PISA tests corresponds to about a year&#8217;s progress. That means our curious kids are a year ahead of the average kid in the sample.</p><p>Those top of the socioeconomic status lottery?</p><p>They are <em>three years</em> ahead of the average student (I couldn&#8217;t bring myself to plot where those in the bottom 10% would be).</p><p>I would love to say I&#8217;m the first researcher to stare at a computer and say: &#8216;wow, so a kid&#8217;s family background affects their test score!&#8217; It&#8217;s such a well-known effect that unless you control for wealth (i.e. compare two kids with the same wealth), people will blame any effect you find on wealth.</p><p>Kids with more books in the home do better on tests? It&#8217;s because of their socioeconomic status.</p><p>Kids who are more curious do better on tests? It&#8217;s because of their socioeconomic status.</p><p>Kids who are born in September do better on tests? It&#8217;s because of their socioeconomic status.</p><p>In fact, it&#8217;s so well-known we&#8217;ve become almost blind to it.</p><p>Well, that&#8217;s not quite true. Many countries now spend billions of pounds a year (or whatever your local currency is) trying to reduce the effect.</p><p>In the UK, the government spends <a href="https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06700/">&#163;3 billion a year</a> on the pupil premium &#8211; extra funding for schools to close the gap between disadvantaged children and their peers.</p><p>The US has spent around $18 billion a year on Title I &#8211; its programme to close the achievement gap for disadvantaged students. <a href="https://www.brookings.edu/articles/why-federal-spending-on-disadvantaged-students-title-i-doesnt-work/">A Brookings analysis found</a> it averages around $500 per pupil, with little evidence it works. The programme currently faces proposed cuts of more than a quarter.</p><p>Ultimately, that&#8217;s why we have grit and growth mindset.</p><p>Because if we can get the poorest to try hardest, they can close that gap on their wealthy peers.</p><p>Right?</p><h3>Pulling yourself up by your bootstraps?</h3><p>The commenter accepted that &#8216;bootstrapping&#8217; has &#8216;some impact, in some cases&#8217;, but was &#8216;NOT the overarching life success determinant for the overwhelming majority of children&#8217;.</p><p>I&#8217;m taking this to mean that if a kid works hard, they can &#8216;pull themselves up by their bootstraps&#8217; and overcome disadvantage.</p><p>We can test this, too.</p><p>I&#8217;m going to use some provocative language to make a point.</p><p>I know these are real (albeit anonymous) kids and I have no idea what&#8217;s going on in their home lives.</p><p>But I want to test the claims we make about whether kids really can &#8216;pull themselves up by their bootstraps&#8217;, in the way the commenter described.</p><p>So let&#8217;s take two groups. The first, I&#8217;m going to call &#8216;rich and lazy&#8217;. These are in the top 25% of family SES and the bottom 25% for grit. (Top/bottom 10% would give us too few students, but 25% gives us about 8,000, which is a fairer comparison with our other groups.)</p><p>It&#8217;s worth noting that we can&#8217;t directly test the effort these kids are willing to put in (except, e.g. by how much of the questionnaire they bothered completing&#8230;). I&#8217;m using their self-reported perseverance &#8211; whether they agree with statements like, &#8216;I complete tasks even when they become more difficult than I thought.&#8217;</p><p>Then we&#8217;ve got the &#8216;poor and hardworking&#8217;. These are the bottom 25% for SES and the top 25% for grit.</p><p>Can the &#8216;poor and hardworking&#8217; kids really outperform their richer counterparts who are low on grit?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dib1!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59beb266-7ab4-42a1-81eb-057e223ece8c_824x580.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dib1!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59beb266-7ab4-42a1-81eb-057e223ece8c_824x580.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dib1!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59beb266-7ab4-42a1-81eb-057e223ece8c_824x580.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dib1!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59beb266-7ab4-42a1-81eb-057e223ece8c_824x580.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dib1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59beb266-7ab4-42a1-81eb-057e223ece8c_824x580.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!dib1!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F59beb266-7ab4-42a1-81eb-057e223ece8c_824x580.png" width="824" height="580" 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The poor and hardworking students are an endangered breed at these rarefied altitudes.</p><p>But a sceptic might wonder if this is fair.</p><p>Maybe all the rich and lazy kids are concentrated in a couple of countries like&#8230; Spain and Australia.</p><p>(And they&#8217;d be right, to a degree. More than a third of the &#8216;rich and lazy&#8217; kids &#8211; by this measure &#8211; were Spanish or Australian!)</p><p>So we can check the gap in each country separately. 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>In all 19 countries in our sample, across each subject, the privileged students who don&#8217;t try hard outscore the disadvantaged students who do.</p><p>The average gap is 53 points: roughly two and a half years of schooling.</p><h3>Tipping the table in your favour</h3><p>This isn&#8217;t some quirk of the PISA data. <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289615001269">A meta-analysis of 240 studies</a> &#8211; including over 100,000 students in total &#8211; found intelligence is the strongest single predictor of academic achievement.</p><p>In the US, the <a href="https://www.mdpi.com/2079-3200/7/4/26">SAT correlates so well with IQ scores</a> it can be used as a proxy. In the UK, a child&#8217;s score on a <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0160289606000171">cognitive abilities test at age 11 predicts their GCSE results at 16</a> with striking accuracy.</p><p>And the link between social class and exam performance runs partly through the schools themselves &#8211; <a href="https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/03054985.2015.1128889?src=recsys">schools with wealthier intakes recruit and retain better teachers</a>.</p><h3>Put on a few inches and you&#8217;ll be shooting hoops in no time</h3><p>The PISA data &#8211; and the other studies I&#8217;ve shared &#8211; bear the commenter out. But there are caveats. Growing up in a wealthy household doesn&#8217;t guarantee success, it just makes it (considerably) more likely.</p><p>Second, I see the concerns about &#8216;<em>conscientious effort and psychological conditioning</em>&#8217;. This is my worry with mindset interventions &#8211; they can only go so far; often, that&#8217;s not very far at all.</p><p>More importantly, we should ask why we use them as a crutch.</p><p>We claim that people just need to try harder to get the top grades when the effect of perseverance on scores is massively outweighed by factors such as IQ and socioeconomic status.</p><p>Sure, you can work hard and be successful, but when you&#8217;re from a disadvantaged background, the odds are against you.</p><p>From this view, the education system feels a bit like everyone is being asked to play in the NBA when they grow up. Every kid has to attend coaching academies; if they&#8217;re not getting enough baskets, the coaches tell them to carry on their stretches at home and keep taking their vitamin supplements to make up those inches on the tall guys. One day, if they just try hard enough, they&#8217;ll be playing in the big leagues.</p><p>But basketball is entertainment. We all accept it&#8217;s biased towards the tall. Welcome to the world of sports.</p><p>School should be different. Everyone plays, whether they want to or not, and it determines your life chances, as we&#8217;re always told.</p><p>So we have a moral obligation to ask uncomfortable questions.</p><p>Especially the fundamental one: is the system fair?</p><p>If we don&#8217;t think it is (and we don&#8217;t, because we spend billions each year looking for ways to sort out the fact that poorer kids are at a huge disadvantage), are grit and growth mindset interventions enough to fix it?</p><p>At some point, the questions have to get bigger.</p><p>Nobody chooses their IQ. You can&#8217;t decide to be born into a wealthier family. Even how hard you&#8217;re willing to try is affected by your genes and environment &#8211; neither of which you choose.</p><p>So what is the point of school?</p><p>Partly, as economist and education scholar Alison Wolf argues, it&#8217;s a signalling system &#8211; a way of ranking kids to work out who gets the best jobs. But the measure has become the purpose.</p><p>Which might explain why the interventions we reach for &#8211; grit programmes, growth mindset workshops &#8211; are always about helping individual kids run faster in a race that&#8217;s already been fixed.</p><p>Rather than asking whether the race is worth running, we just tell the slower runners to try harder.</p><p>It&#8217;s time to get curious about what school could look like if exam results weren&#8217;t the whole point of it.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Get Curious! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Do schools kill curiosity? It’s more complicated than you think]]></title><description><![CDATA[The OECD asked 60,000 children about their curiosity: how a small difference in two survey questions tells a big story about learning at school.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/do-schools-kill-curiosity</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/do-schools-kill-curiosity</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 23 Mar 2026 12:05:59 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7b2714e8-04d9-4288-bc4f-126d21a796bd_1030x550.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a favourite curiosity experiment.</p><p><a href="https://www.jstor.org/stable/27667176">Psychologist Susan Engel and her student Kellie Randall</a> advertised for some teachers to run a science experiment. Each teacher was brought in separately and paired with a child.</p><p>The teachers were split into two groups, both with the same task &#8211; guiding the children as they mixed baking soda, vinegar and water, then dropped raisins in.</p><p>But while half the teachers were asked to help the child learn about objects floating and sinking, the other half were simply asked to help the child complete the task and worksheet.</p><p>Teachers were given only eleven minutes to work with the child &#8211; only just enough time to complete the worksheet &#8211; so that the teachers (like teachers everywhere) were under time pressure.</p><p>Those told to help the children learn made encouraging comments, asked their own questions and gave positive feedback. Those who were helping the children complete the worksheet made &#8216;restrictive&#8217; comments, according to the researchers, criticising and correcting what the children were doing: &#8216;The procedure says to add 8 raisins. Make sure you are adding exactly 8; count them out first.&#8217; And, &#8216;No, no, wait, let&#8217;s read through this first.&#8217;</p><p>And that was even before the kid went off script.</p><p>On the bench were some things that weren&#8217;t on the worksheet &#8211; sweets, crackers, marshmallows. Halfway through the experiment, the child picked up a Skittle from this pile and dropped it into the liquid.</p><p>If the teacher asked, the kid was to say they just wanted to see what would happen.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Get Curious! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>The teachers who had been told to help the child learn were mostly encouraging. They asked follow-up questions: &#8216;Wow, what&#8217;s happening with the Skittle?&#8217; and &#8216;Do you think the water is going to turn orange now?&#8217;</p><p>The other half, who wanted to get through the worksheet, were frustrated. &#8216;You were not supposed to do that,&#8217; one said. &#8216;Show me where it said to put that in there. It didn&#8217;t.&#8217;</p><p>Another said, &#8216;Well, curiosity is a very good thing, but probably we should stick to the directions.&#8217;</p><p>The most depressing part?</p><p>After the trial, the teachers who had been told to help the child complete the worksheet thought they&#8217;d done just as good a job of encouraging the children&#8217;s curiosity as the other group.</p><h3>When curiosity researchers leave their curiosity at home</h3><p>That&#8217;s one experiment. Conducted in a lab rather than classroom.</p><p>But what if this sort of thing does go on in classrooms? And what if it happens lesson after lesson, year after year?</p><p>What effect would that have on children&#8217;s curiosity?</p><p>As well as a favourite experiment, I also have a favourite book about curiosity: <em>The Hungry Mind</em>.</p><p>It&#8217;s also by Susan Engel.</p><p>In fact, it inspired me to start a PhD researching children&#8217;s curiosity.</p><p>But one line in it bothered me:</p><p>&#8216;When older children are asked about their enthusiasm for domains like science, many indicate a great interest in the topic itself, but say they have little interest for the way it is presented in school.&#8217;</p><p>This is a big statement, and <a href="https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19628992/">she makes similar claims elsewhere</a>.</p><p>It&#8217;s certainly plausible. As a secondary science teacher, I can confirm a lot of students have little interest in the way it&#8217;s presented in school. Or at least, the way I present it (and I try pretty hard some days to make it as interesting as I can).</p><p><a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0140197119301216">Other academic researchers</a> have picked up on what Engel says.</p><p>&#8216;Despite its association with positive outcomes, one of the most common manifestations of curiosity &#8211; children&#8217;s questioning &#8211; typically decreases once children enter formal schooling.&#8217;</p><p>Yes, there&#8217;s some evidence for this, but one of the main studies cited was conducted with preschoolers at home and at kindergarten. Nearly all such studies (and there aren&#8217;t many that look at how questioning changes with age) are small-scale.</p><p>Another, <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41539-025-00384-5">more recent paper</a> cites Engel: &#8216;typical schooling does not reliably increase curiosity, and might even diminish it in some contexts, i.e, when learning information by rote memorization is emphasized.&#8217;</p><p>Sure, maybe. But Engel gives no evidence to support an effect of rote memorisation on curiosity. And other authors follow suit (e.g., <a href="https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/psychology/articles/10.3389/fpsyg.2022.875161/pdf">here</a> and <a href="https://www.ijiet.org/show-143-1669-1.html">here</a>).</p><p>What&#8217;s missing is curiosity about the original data.</p><p><em>What does the evidence really say</em>?</p><h3>If only we had a big, global sample of children to ask</h3><p>Engel&#8217;s ideas have caught on because they&#8217;re appealing. Also, in a field dominated by questionnaires and quantitative analysis, she actually watches children and teachers to see what they do.</p><p>And she does this in the classroom.</p><p>She nails the mechanisms by which teachers might halt curiosity. The sort of thing that, repeated day in, day out, might lead kids to think that curiosity has no place in schools.</p><p>In one case study, Engel&#8217;s watching Mrs Parker, who has given ten-year-olds some equipment to model how the ancient Egyptians might have built the pyramids.</p><p>There&#8217;s a sheet to fill in. When one group comes up with some particularly creative ideas, Mrs Parker tells them, in front of the rest of the class, &#8216;OK, kids. Enough of that. I&#8217;ll give you time to experiment at recess. This is time for science.&#8217;</p><p>In another class of fifteen-year-olds, Engel reports the teacher halting a class discussion: &#8216;I can&#8217;t answer questions right now. Now it&#8217;s time for learning.&#8217;</p><p>These are great vignettes. And I&#8217;m all in favour of small-scale research involving classroom observations &#8211; it&#8217;s the basis of my PhD work. I see many of the same things Engel saw, although I also see teachers patiently answering question after question (ones which are often very tenuously related to the lesson).</p><p>But to make universal statements about what happens to children&#8217;s curiosity at school, you need more.</p><p>You&#8217;d need to include tens of thousands of children, from across the world &#8211; Bogota in Colombia to Helsinki in Finland.</p><p>Imagine you asked all <em>those</em> children how curious they were. Then you&#8217;d have something solid to work with.</p><p>Then you could begin to make bigger statements about what happens to children&#8217;s curiosity as they get older.</p><p>Luckily, someone has done exactly this.</p><h3>Thanks OECD &#8211; tell us what you&#8217;ve got</h3><p>If you want big educational surveys, you go to the OECD.</p><p>Their PISA study of 600,000 15-year-olds every few years makes headlines and forces educational policy changes.</p><p>(If you want to know what PISA tells you about curiosity, <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/over-140000-kids-from-around-the">head here</a>.)</p><p>But they run another study which is, in its own way, even more fascinating &#8211; their Survey on Social and Emotional Skills, or SSES.</p><p>In 2019, they gave their questionnaire to over 60,000 kids in ten cities across the world. This time, they weren&#8217;t creating a league table for academic achievement, but finding out which &#8216;soft skills&#8217; help kids succeed. They asked about creativity, self-control, cooperation and &#8211; crucially &#8211; curiosity.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png" width="902" height="398" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:398,&quot;width&quot;:902,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:180913,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/191851206?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!I_Mj!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2640c6f1-a545-4310-a9f6-4bd4abf73deb_902x398.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And, more importantly, they include 10-year-olds and 15-year-olds in their study. The kids were asked questions and their answers to these questions were weighted and made into a &#8216;curiosity score&#8217;.</p><p>All we need to do is compare the curiosity scores of the two age groups.</p><p>This should tell us everything we need to know. If the fifteen-year-olds&#8217; curiosity is, on average, lower than that of the ten-year-olds, then Engel&#8217;s right.</p><p>So, here we go:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png" width="462" height="124" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:124,&quot;width&quot;:462,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:11517,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/191851206?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!XWf-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0061fe93-f0ce-465e-b57f-ac22a53efd41_462x124.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>(<em>Technical detail: even if you give this the full stats work-over, you find the same thing. I&#8217;ve run the model with more levels than a multi-storey carpark and in every city, the 15-year-olds have lower curiosity than the 10-year-olds</em>).</p><p>So, job done.</p><p>Schools kill curiosity.</p><p>We need to stop all those Mrs Parkers in their tracks and tell them: Experimentation <em>is</em> science! Questions <em>are </em>learning!</p><p>But not so fast.</p><p>What were those questions asking? What exactly was it the children told the OECD about their curiosity?</p><h3>Do you like learning new things? Or do you love learning new things in school?</h3><p>Here are the individual questions. All questions were on a 5-point scale &#8212; strongly disagree / disagree / neither agree nor disagree / agree / strongly agree.</p><p><em>To what extent&#8230;.</em></p><blockquote><p><em>1.</em> <em>Are you curious about many different things</em></p><p><em>2.</em> <em>Are you eager to learn</em></p><p><em>3.</em> <em>Do you like to ask questions</em></p><p><em>4.</em> <em>Do you like to know how things work</em></p><p><em>5.</em> <em>Do you like learning new things</em></p><p><em>6.</em> <em>Don&#8217;t you like learning</em></p><p><em>7.</em> <em>Do you love learning new things in school</em></p><p><em>8.</em> <em>Do you find science interesting</em></p></blockquote><p>If we split the results by question, a more interesting story emerges.</p><p>Let&#8217;s start with the first one: If kids are curious, surely they&#8217;ll agree or strongly agree with question number one.</p><p>How do 10-year-olds and 15-year-olds vary in their responses?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png" width="432" height="146" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:146,&quot;width&quot;:432,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:12658,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/191851206?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!pb9C!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F8d340436-f36b-46a4-8756-cceaf4039cd1_432x146.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Wait.</p><p>What was that?</p><p>There&#8217;s not much in it, but <em>more</em> 15-year-olds are curious about many different things than 10-year-olds. So, curiosity, by that measure, actually <em>increases</em> (slightly) as kids get older.</p><p>What about question three &#8211; the percentage who like asking questions?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png" width="432" height="146" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/be4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:146,&quot;width&quot;:432,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:12616,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/191851206?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4bA9!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbe4a89b6-f2e3-40f7-8c10-a67ac3ef611f_432x146.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This is where things get interesting. Although students feel at least as curious on average at the age of fifteen, they don&#8217;t like asking questions. Not as much as the 10-year-olds, anyway.</p><p>(Note that we aren&#8217;t looking at what happens to <em>the same</em> children over time &#8211; we&#8217;re looking at two different groups of children. And this would make a difference if something like the pandemic had happened, and might affect different age groups differently. This is an issue with later SSES data but not this 2019 cohort.)</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png" width="904" height="556" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/a8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:556,&quot;width&quot;:904,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:55331,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/191851206?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KLNx!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fa8d6ce41-81fd-4bea-a7f4-0971a66d43cf_904x556.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So, curiosity stays the same (or increases) but enjoyment of asking questions decreases.</p><p>But maybe this has nothing to do with school. Maybe this is developmental.</p><p>It could be that 15-year-olds don&#8217;t need to ask as many questions, because they have other ways of finding out (although even on Google and ChatGPT, you need to ask questions to resolve your curiosity).</p><p>There is, however, a way of testing this.</p><p>Look at questions 5 and 7. They ask whether students&#8230;</p><blockquote><p><em>(Question 5) like learning new things.</em></p><p><em>(Question 7) love learning new things in school.</em></p></blockquote><p>There are two differences between these questions.</p><p>If students&#8217; answers differ, it might simply be because they <em>like</em> learning, although they don&#8217;t <em>love</em> it.</p><p>But there&#8217;s another difference, one that jumps straight out: question 7 asks specifically whether students love learning new things <em>in school</em>.</p><p>Most students &#8211; aged 10 and 15 - agree or strongly agree with both questions. But looking at the number who <em>don&#8217;t </em>agree or strongly agree makes the changes a bit clearer:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KC1A!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88b72aba-c21f-4b9d-a119-426c0aec46e6_904x496.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KC1A!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88b72aba-c21f-4b9d-a119-426c0aec46e6_904x496.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!KC1A!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F88b72aba-c21f-4b9d-a119-426c0aec46e6_904x496.png 848w, 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But by fifteen, that gap has doubled. Now, twice as many 15-year-olds <em>don&#8217;t</em> agree that they <em>love learning new things in school</em> compared to the number who don&#8217;t like learning new things.</p><h3>Houston, we have a problem</h3><p>We can even look at this &#8216;curiosity drop&#8217; city by city.</p><p>I averaged the scores for every student in each city at age 10 and age 15.</p><p>On the y (vertical) axis, I&#8217;ve plotted their agreement that they love learning new things in school.</p><p>The x (horizontal) axis tells us whether they like asking questions.</p><p>We can then see the changes between 10- and 15-year-olds in each city.</p><p>Of course, we have to be cautious. We only have twenty data points. But an interesting pattern begins to emerge.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W1KZ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F67d41a0c-588e-444f-b3ae-e2d65945bbad_904x720.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W1KZ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F67d41a0c-588e-444f-b3ae-e2d65945bbad_904x720.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!W1KZ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F67d41a0c-588e-444f-b3ae-e2d65945bbad_904x720.png 848w, 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They don&#8217;t like asking questions as much, as their love of learning new things in school is falling.</p><p>Why, though? What&#8217;s causing this?</p><h3>So who&#8217;s responsible? Lining up the suspects&#8230;</h3><p>This is where we have to be cautious. It&#8217;s easy to fall into the trap I gave at the start of this post by pointing the finger at the most obvious candidate.</p><p>Researchers have been quick to blame the Mrs Parkers of this world, squashing questions and pulling Skittles out of chemical concoctions.</p><p>But let&#8217;s look at this from Mrs Parker&#8217;s perspective.</p><p>Her mind could have been on an upcoming inspection, or the headteacher was going to check through her class&#8217;s books later that day: &#8216;oh look, this kid (who&#8217;s in the disadvantaged group) didn&#8217;t manage to complete his worksheet.&#8217;</p><p>The teachers in Engel and Randall&#8217;s study were randomly assigned to a group. They hadn&#8217;t decided to focus on completing the worksheet &#8211; they&#8217;d been told to do that.</p><p>We know from survey evidence that teachers value children&#8217;s curiosity &#8211; something I&#8217;ve heard again and again in interviews for my doctoral research. But teachers work within constraints: a scheme of work to get through, exams to prepare for, and &#8211; crucially &#8211; the need to &#8216;prove&#8217; that learning has taken place.</p><p>If you&#8217;re a teacher with limited time to cover a lot of material, a simple action like a student dropping a Skittle into liquid, or asking an off-topic question, could become a subversive act. You can embrace it, but that sends out a message to all the kids that this kind of behaviour is ok. At best, it puts you further behind in the endless race against the scheme of work. At worst, your classroom authority is challenged and it&#8217;s even more difficult to get through everything you planned to.</p><p>Or you can put a stop to the behaviour and plod through the lesson&#8217;s content. And at the end, you&#8217;ll have the worksheets to show for it.</p><p>The curious teacher has nothing.</p><h3>Where is that curiosity going?</h3><p>So is it school that kills curiosity? Is it developmental &#8211; something that happens when kids hit their teens? Or is there something the OECD&#8217;s questions are failing to capture?</p><p>I don&#8217;t think the data can tell us.</p><p>But it can tell us something important.</p><p>Look again at the difference between those two questions. Only sixteen percent of 10-year-olds <em>don&#8217;t agree</em> they like learning new things. The same proportion of 15-year-olds.</p><p>Curiosity, in the broadest sense, survives adolescence intact.</p><p>But ask whether they <em>love learning new things in school</em>, and the picture changes.</p><p>At age ten, there&#8217;s a gap between students&#8217; answers to these questions.</p><p>By fifteen, that gap has doubled.</p><p>The curiosity is still there. It just doesn&#8217;t feel as welcome in school.</p><p>A final question: what would schools look like if students felt their curiosity <em>was</em> welcome?</p><p><em>Enjoyed this? Subscribe to Get Curious for more content to pique your curiosity.</em></p><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe now&quot;,&quot;action&quot;:null,&quot;class&quot;:null}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?"><span>Subscribe now</span></a></p><div class="captioned-button-wrap" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/do-schools-kill-curiosity?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="CaptionedButtonToDOM"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Get Curious! This post is public so feel free to share it.</p></div><p class="button-wrapper" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/do-schools-kill-curiosity?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Share&quot;}" data-component-name="ButtonCreateButton"><a class="button primary" href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/do-schools-kill-curiosity?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_content=share&action=share"><span>Share</span></a></p></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[What type of curious are you?]]></title><description><![CDATA[Psychologist Todd Kashdan and colleagues identified five dimensions of curiosity &#8212; and four distinct curiosity types. Take the quiz to find yours.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-type-of-curious-are-you</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/what-type-of-curious-are-you</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2026 12:09:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/1b1ebc19-def6-49fd-ab98-3ad39cda52d8_1052x576.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a question we don&#8217;t often ask, but <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0092656617301149">psychologist Todd Kashdan and colleagues</a> have identified five &#8216;dimensions&#8217; of curiosity through their research using several thousand participants:</p><p>&#183; <strong>Joyous Exploration </strong>&#8211; delight in learning for its own sake. This is curiosity as wonder: finding something fascinating and wanting to understand it better, not because it&#8217;s useful, but because ideas are genuinely exciting.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>&#183; <strong>Deprivation Sensitivity</strong> &#8211; a restless need to know. People high on this dimension work relentlessly at problems, often losing sleep over them, not because they enjoy the struggle, but because they simply can&#8217;t rest without a resolution.</p><p>&#183; <strong>Stress Tolerance </strong>&#8211; comfort with uncertainty and the ability to manage the anxiety that comes with it. High scorers don&#8217;t necessarily seek out the unknown &#8211; they just don&#8217;t let the discomfort of not-knowing stop them.</p><p>&#183; <strong>Social Curiosity </strong>&#8211; interest in other people. And here&#8217;s where it gets interesting: the researchers found two distinct flavours. <em>Overt</em> social curiosity is the art of asking questions &#8211; turning towards people, probing, engaging. <em>Covert</em> social curiosity is quieter: watching, listening, picking up on things others miss.</p><p>&#183; <strong>Thrill Seeking </strong>&#8211; the appetite for adventure. This is curiosity with an adrenaline edge: a preference for the novel, the risky, the spontaneous. People high here don&#8217;t just want to know &#8211; they want to feel.</p><p>Wondering which you might be higher or lower on? Well, I&#8217;ve got a way you can find out, but more on that in a minute.</p><h3>Empathizer or avoider?</h3><p>The researchers discovered something else, too. They found patterns in the results. People taking the quiz could be grouped into four distinct curiosity &#8216;types&#8217;:</p><p><strong>The Fascinated</strong> score high across the board. They&#8217;re lit up by the world &#8211; ideas, people, places. Learning energises them; uncertainty feels like an invitation. They&#8217;re assembling a richer picture of how everything connects.</p><p><strong>The Problem-solver</strong> is intensely, narrowly curious. When something grabs them, they won&#8217;t let go. They&#8217;re less interested in everything than in <em>this thing, right now, fully understood</em>. Persistence is their superpower.</p><p><strong>The Empathizer</strong> is high on social curiosity, often lower on thrill-seeking. People are their laboratory. They explore life through connection, and the question they ask most often &#8211; consciously or not &#8211; is <em>why do people do what they do?</em></p><p><strong>The Avoider</strong> is the most interesting type, and probably the most common. They score lower across the board, particularly on stress tolerance. But this isn&#8217;t someone without curiosity. Their curiosity is quieter, more cautious &#8211; often unexpressed, because uncertainty feels uncomfortable. The pull towards the unfamiliar is there. It&#8217;s just competing with something stronger.</p><h3>Go on &#8211; it <em>might</em> change your life*</h3><p>Want to know which category you fall into? Glad you asked! Because <a href="https://getcuriousblog.github.io/curiosity-quiz/">I&#8217;ve put together a quiz</a> to help discern the problems solvers from the avoiders, those high on joyous exploration or lacking in stress tolerance.</p><p>At this point, I should give a disclaimer and say something like &#8216;the test is just for fun&#8217; or &#8216;don&#8217;t take this as a diagnosis, quit your job and become a yoga teacher in Kuala Lumpur or Scunthorpe or wherever.&#8217;</p><p>But it has just changed my life.</p><p>Ok, maybe that&#8217;s a slight exaggeration. It made my Saturday ever so slightly easier.</p><p>I was finishing off the code for the quiz and Daughter Number 1 (who identifies as Blossom for the purposes of this post) asked what I was doing.</p><p>We were supposed to be doing errands, then going to the bookshop and getting lunch, but she couldn&#8217;t be bothered and wanted to play at home.</p><p>Also, she thought the takeaway curry might have onions in it.</p><p>As a distraction, I said she could take the test.</p><p>Each time I read an academic paper and come across a new curiosity measure, I test it out on her (it&#8217;s easier than recruiting actual research guinea pigs; the KCL ethical process is a nightmare). She loves being asked questions. I even ran a trial for my doctoral research where I asked her to examine a range of houseplants and come up with questions about them.</p><p>She scored high across most dimensions on the quiz, coming out top on <em>stress tolerance</em> (not always evident at bedtime) and getting the &#8216;fascinated&#8217; profile. She was delighted about getting the curiosity rubber stamp.</p><p>&#8216;Imagine what we might discover in the bookshop,&#8217; I told her. &#8216;You can try some new food at the curry place.&#8217; She was all for it &#8211; her fear of onions forgotten.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://getcuriousblog.github.io/curiosity-quiz/" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBzC!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0fa8afaa-de58-4d8a-aa1b-c36cd953ea83_890x808.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!yBzC!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F0fa8afaa-de58-4d8a-aa1b-c36cd953ea83_890x808.png 848w, 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It&#8217;s just for a bit of fun.</p><p>But there&#8217;s a tiny chance it might just change your life &#8211; or at least make your day a bit easier.</p><p><em>Terms and Conditions:</em></p><p>*No refunds available if taking the quiz does not turn out to be a life-changing experience.</p><p></p><h3><em><strong>More on curiosity</strong></em></h3><p><em>If you&#8217;ve ever wondered what happens to kids&#8217; curiosity at school - <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/do-schools-kill-curiosity">Do Schools Kill Curiosity? It&#8217;s more complicated than you think</a>.</em></p><p><em>Or, on what actually predicts exam success - <a href="https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/over-140000-kids-from-around-the">Over 140,000 kids were tested to see which is most important for success: grit or growth mindset. The Answer? Neither of them</a>.</em></p><p></p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading The Curiosity Gap! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p></p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Call to Adventure]]></title><description><![CDATA[The Call to Adventure: A Guide for Thrill Seekers, Respectable Ladies and Reluctant Travellers]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/the-call-to-adventure</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/the-call-to-adventure</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2026 14:56:50 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/86344546-e50f-4e4f-83c1-d0b1d3b72198_944x544.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Header image: Marianne North, View of the Village of Tosari, Java (1876), public domain</em></p><p>In Victorian England, women did not become adventurers. They certainly didn&#8217;t become solo travellers, not if they were from respectable families.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Chris's Substack! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>Marianne North didn&#8217;t care for convention. She didn&#8217;t care for her own safety. She didn&#8217;t care what other people thought.</p><p>What she did care about was exotic plants.</p><h3>A vice takes hold</h3><p>Originally, Marianne North wanted to be a singer. She had a problem: &#8216;a most provoking habit of nervousness; when told to stand up and show off, the room seemed to go round, and I could not keep myself from shaking all over&#8217;.</p><p>So she developed another passion. Two, in fact: plants and oil painting. To North, painting was a vice like whisky, &#8216;almost impossible to leave off once it gets possession&#8217;, as Milbry Polk quotes in Robin Hanbury-Tenison&#8217;s <em>The Great Explorers.</em></p><p>Marianne North was born into privilege. She didn&#8217;t have much formal education but was surrounded by inspiring figures during her childhood. These included Sir William Hooker, pioneering botanist and director of Kew Gardens, who sparked North&#8217;s love of plants.</p><p>After her mother died, North promised to look after her father. Which she did her way &#8211; on a series of road trips they took together to Europe and the Holy Land. North&#8217;s sketchbook was never far from her hand.</p><p>On one trip, her father fell ill. At home in Hastings, days after North turned thirty-nine, her father died.</p><p>North was devastated.</p><p>It was unthinkable, at that time, for a woman to travel without a chaperone. But North disdained convention. She called marriage &#8216;a terrible experiment.&#8217; She hated the idea of simply being someone&#8217;s wife.</p><p>She wanted freedom.</p><h3>The pleasure of recognition</h3><p>It has become easy, in the twenty-first century, to travel to faraway places in comfort.</p><p>A new city, a different continent, another culture. Experiences that should give us a new perspective on life simply become another box, ticked.</p><p>As journalist and literary critic <a href="https://electramagazine.fundacaoedp.pt/en/editions/issue-12/many-faces-curiosity">Ant&#243;nio Guerreiro puts it</a>, we travel for &#8216;the pleasure of recognition and not the curiosity of discovery&#8217;.</p><p>This is a polite way of saying we travel to take photos.</p><p>Or, at least, to inhabit those photos that haunt our dreams. The photos we used to gaze at in the glossy travel agency magazines and that now comprise Instagram.</p><p>There is no unknown, no ambiguity. The only risk is that the hotel might not match up to the Tripadvisor description.</p><h3>What kind of curious are you?</h3><p><em>Risk taking excites me</em></p><p><em>I prefer spontaneous adventure to planning</em></p><p><em>When I have free time, I like to do things that are a little scary</em></p><p>Agree? You might score highly on the thrill-seeking dimension of curiosity.</p><p>For <a href="https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S019188692030026X">Todd Kashdan and his colleagues</a>, curiosity isn&#8217;t a single trait. It can be split along five dimensions:</p><ul><li><p><strong>Joyous Exploration</strong> &#8212; delight in learning for its own sake.</p></li><li><p><strong>Deprivation Sensitivity</strong> &#8212; a restless need to close knowledge gaps.</p></li><li><p><strong>Stress Tolerance</strong> &#8212; comfort with uncertainty.</p></li><li><p><strong>Social Curiosity</strong> &#8212; interest in other people (overt asking vs covert observing).</p></li><li><p><strong>Thrill Seeking</strong> &#8212; a desire to explore through novelty or risk-taking.</p></li></ul><p>People who score higher in stress tolerance, for example, are more extraverted. Joyous explorers are more open to new experiences. The socially curious &#8211; unsurprisingly &#8211; are more likely to gossip. (Want to know where you rate? <a href="https://getcuriousblog.github.io/curiosity-quiz/">Try this quiz I put together</a> &#8211; just for fun &#8211; and get more info about the five dimensions).</p><p>It&#8217;s easy to feel that adventure should be for the thrill seekers, or those who are fully stress tolerant. But that&#8217;s an excuse we use &#8211; it&#8217;s too big. I don&#8217;t know where to start. I haven&#8217;t got the time, or the experience, or the money to do that.</p><p>We can turn those excuses on their head. Rather than thinking of adventure as something that exists &#8216;out there&#8217;, we can build adventure into our daily lives.</p><h3>Embrace the inconvenience</h3><p>We don&#8217;t have to start with the epic travel, writes explorer Belinda Kirk in <em>Adventure Mind</em>. A change to routine, a new environment, the chance to rely on our wits over modern technology &#8211; small changes can be our starting point.</p><p>And adventure brings a whole host of benefits, <a href="https://www.adventuremind.org/evidence">Kirk argues</a>. As well as improving our mental health, it builds new skills and helps us use our brain in a way that the modern office doesn&#8217;t allow us to.</p><p>Adventure might involve following a map rather than a SatNav, cooking our own food on a burner stove in the great outdoors (and probably under a drizzle) rather than mustering the courage to risk the street food stall.</p><p>This is adventure as journey rather than destination.</p><p>Insta-travel is about where you end up. It&#8217;s about what it looks like from the outside.</p><p>In adventure travel, the inconvenience becomes the story: getting lost, being cold, wet, tired. The kind of things we spend our lives avoiding become part of the story.</p><p>Challenging yourself by getting outdoors can be transformational, Kirk writes in <em>Adventure Mind</em>.</p><p>You&#8217;re in a new environment, which focuses your mind on your immediate surroundings, not on the email you still haven&#8217;t answered.</p><p>Paradoxically, it is novelty of the situation, and the cognitive demands it places on you, that frees your mind:</p><blockquote><p>Before you leave on the adventure, you have a million and one things to do, but as soon as you set foot on the plane, sit on the seat of your bike or turn away from your car with a full backpack, life immediately becomes much simpler. And nagging feelings dissipate and are replaced by something much more exciting: the challenge, the unknown.</p></blockquote><h3>One fingerhold from death</h3><p>The stages of Joseph Campbell&#8217;s Hero&#8217;s Journey are so well known that they have become a clich&#233; &#8211; and it&#8217;s easy to apply them to our lives. We wait for the call to adventure &#8211; for someone to tell us it&#8217;s time. Someone to tap us on the shoulder and hand us the itinerary and map with the route already marked out.</p><p>It&#8217;s easy, too, to think of adventure as for someone else. A different kind of person.</p><p>We look at people who do extraordinary things and assume they must all be like Alex Honnold.</p><p>Honnold climbed one of the tallest rock faces in the world without ropes or harness. The friction between his chalked fingertips and the tiniest protrusion of rock was all that separated him from death.</p><p>A few years later, he climbed one of the world&#8217;s tallest skyscrapers, again without safety equipment.</p><p>There is a scene in the 2018 film <em>Free Solo</em> in which Honnold is put into an MRI machine. He is shown images that would terrify a normal person. His amygdala barely lights up. He <em>needs</em> these terrifying experiences to feel alive, in the same way someone might feel a thrill while giving a PowerPoint presentation at work which they&#8217;ve only practised a couple of times.</p><p>To most people, adventure is both more mundane and more extraordinary than it is for Honnold. Mundane, because few people are going to make an Oscar-winning film about it. Extraordinary because it requires us to overcome what our amygdala is telling us. (Run!)</p><p>It&#8217;s more like Bilbo Baggins in <em>The Hobbit</em>, who lived a quiet life in The Shire, and was respected by his neighbours because he never had any adventures or did anything unexpected. Until one day he ran off after a group of dwarfs in such a hurry he forgot his hat and walking stick.</p><p>And it&#8217;s more like Marianne North, who lived a proper life in polite society until, at the age of forty, she began a series of solo adventures that would last for the rest of her life.</p><h3>Snakes, fever and enormous boulders</h3><p>Marianne North had a very particular idea about what she wanted to escape to.</p><p>She was driven by &#8216;the dream of going to some tropical country to paint its peculiar vegetation on the spot in natural abundant luxuriance.&#8217;</p><p>Nowadays, heading off to the tropics and posting snaps of some of the weird flowers on a group chat doesn&#8217;t sound that revolutionary. What Marianne North did, though, challenged the way people saw plants.</p><p>Traditional Victorian botanical art was often a lifeless affair. A sprig was laid out and painted with watercolours.</p><p>North had her own ideas about how to paint flowers.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic" width="1123" height="1564" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/dcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1564,&quot;width&quot;:1123,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:178121,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/heic&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/i/190393146?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!iSuk!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fdcc045cb-09db-497c-bd96-d5bf2a549073_1123x1564.heic 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Marianne North, &#8216;Foliage, Flowers and Seed Vessel of the Opium Poppy&#8217; (1870s). Marianne North Gallery, Royal Botanic Gardens, Kew. Public domain via Wikimedia Commons.</em></p><p>Her oils brought life and colour back into the plants. She used a limited palette, and avoided black, giving a vibrancy to her paintings. Plants appeared in their habitats, creating a naturalism that had been dispensed with.</p><p>She began her travels in Egypt, but was encouraged by Lucie Duff Gordon, another female explorer, to travel more widely.</p><p>Like Bilbo, facing his trolls and goblins, North&#8217;s travels were not without their dangers.</p><p>In the Seychelles, she was perched so high on a boulder that &#8216;the slightest slip or cramp would have put an end to both the sketch and to me.&#8217;</p><p>In Sri Lanka, she thought someone had left a plant specimen on her stool. She reached out her hand to pick it up &#8211; realising just in time that it was a poisonous snake.</p><p>Her sister later wrote that North led a &#8216;charmed life. She could apparently sit all day painting in a mangrove swamp, and not catch fever.&#8217; She could survive without food and sleep and return home ready to enjoy a &#8216;flattering reception&#8217; in London.</p><p>By challenging what people thought proper for a respectable woman, she left her mark on botanical history.</p><h3>Don&#8217;t forget your hat and walking stick</h3><p>In retrospect, it seems as if success came easily to Marianne North.</p><p>She was friends with Charles Darwin, who encouraged her to visit Australia. He thanked her afterwards for the specimens she sent back to him.</p><p>In Borneo, North painted an enormous pitcher plant. This carnivorous plant was unknown to science and later named in her honour. Several other species first depicted by North have also been named after her.</p><p>Along with James Fergusson, North designed <a href="https://www.kew.org/read-and-watch/marianne-north-botanical-artist">the gallery that bears her name</a> at Kew Gardens. Over 800 of her paintings still cover the walls.</p><p>As North&#8217;s biographer Milbry Polk puts it:</p><blockquote><p>She was one of the truly fortunate people who discover what they love to do, have the means and courage to follow their passion, and the gift to share their discoveries.</p></blockquote><p>North had the money to travel &#8211; and to refuse the marriage that may have tied her down. Her father had encouraged her hobbies, and she had grown up around the greatest scientists of the day. Had she been born into different circumstances, this path may have been unthinkable.</p><p>Today, many of us tell ourselves similar stories.</p><p><em>I don&#8217;t have enough money</em></p><p><em>I don&#8217;t have the right connections</em></p><p><em>I need people behind me</em></p><p>But often what we mean is, I&#8217;m scared.</p><p>We can&#8217;t all be Alex Honnold, dulled to the fear that grips everyone else when contemplating something out of the ordinary.</p><p>But maybe we can be a bit more like Bilbo Baggins &#8211; worried about what people might think, but taking that first step on the road to adventure anyway. Even if we do forget our hat and walking stick as we rush through the door.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Chris's Substack! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Over 140,000 kids from around the world were tested to see which is most important for success: grit or growth mindset.]]></title><description><![CDATA[Schools spend millions on grit and growth mindset programmes. But an analysis of 140,000 students from PISA 2022 suggests neither is the most important trait for academic success.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/over-140000-kids-from-around-the</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/over-140000-kids-from-around-the</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2026 17:11:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/21fa9ca9-9624-4c07-9141-db4987bc6522_1456x1002.webp" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>The <a href="https://gist.github.com/getcuriousblog/2c70dd4e3ed740bff2093276246ac326">code here</a> will allow you to reproduce the main findings in this post.</em></p><h3>Debunking the myths</h3><p>Google &#8216;education myths debunked&#8217; and you&#8217;ll soon come across something about learning styles.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Chris's Substack! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div><p>Each child had a preferred way of learning &#8211; visual, auditory or kinaesthetic &#8211; the idea went, and teachers had to accommodate this.</p><p>This was based on evidence.</p><p>Until it wasn&#8217;t.</p><p>This is how teaching works. Strategies are supposedly evidence based. But it&#8217;s funny how often the evidence is called into doubt just as the next fashionable theory arrives.</p><h3>Whose test paper will you take a peek at?</h3><p>A few years ago, &#8216;growth mindset&#8217; was in fashion.</p><p>The original concept came from Stanford University professor Carol Dweck and colleagues.<sup>[1]</sup> If you have a growth mindset, you believe your intelligence and abilities are malleable. It isn&#8217;t just what you&#8217;re born with, it&#8217;s what you do to improve them that really matters.</p><p>The classic test of growth mindset went a little like this &#8211; a kid takes a test. After, they&#8217;re given the opportunity to someone else&#8217;s test. Do they choose the test of the student who did better, to learn from them, or the one who did worse, as an ego boost? First choice = growth mindset, second choice = fixed mindset.</p><p>Each school had posters up about how to foster it. In 2015, the education secretary Nicky Morgan wanted to &#8216;<a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/speeches/nicky-morgan-discusses-the-future-of-education-in-england">nurture a generation</a>&#8217; through promoting growth mindset.</p><p>The academic work on growth mindset was complex, but schools often stripped this nuance away. Inevitably, when the classroom interventions didn&#8217;t match the effects seen in the original studies, it was this translation that was blamed.</p><p>In 2019, a randomised controlled trial involving over 100 schools and over 5000 students found that students exposed to training in how to build a growth mindset made &#8230;. <a href="https://d2tic4wvo1iusb.cloudfront.net/production/documents/projects/Changing_Mindsets.pdf?v=1771351456">no extra progress</a> compared to those without the training.</p><p>As with all fashions, growth mindset eventually faded from view. The posters became tattered and the school assemblies moved onto new topics.</p><p>Growth mindset never completely disappeared. It&#8217;s still mentioned from time to time. The fossilised remains are still there, on outdated teaching and learning pages on forgotten corners of school websites.</p><p>But there&#8217;s a new kid on the block.</p><h3>The secret to West Point success &#8211; and everything else</h3><p>By 2019, the year growth mindset&#8217;s lustre faded in England, the UK government was already talking about the importance of developing <a href="https://www.gov.uk/government/news/education-secretary-sets-out-vision-for-character-and-resilience">&#8216;character traits&#8217; like conscientiousness and perseverance</a>.</p><p>By 2025, this had become a central focus for the Department for Education. Developing &#8216;much-needed grit&#8217;, as the Education and Health Secretaries Bridget Phillipson and Wes Streeting put it, would help young people in all areas of life.</p><p>Grit, according to Phillipson, is &#8216;<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/may/16/much-needed-grit-to-be-fostered-in-englands-schoolchildren-say-ministers">the resilience, the ability to cope with life&#8217;s ups and downs, about the challenges that are thrown at yo</a>u&#8217;. In fact, it&#8217;s &#8216;essential for academic success&#8217;.</p><p>The concept &#8211; grit &#8211; was popularised by psychologist Angela Duckworth in her book of the same name.<sup>[2]</sup> She led much of the pioneering research in the area. And grit seemed to explain things no other concept could.</p><p>Take the elite West Point military training academy in the US. Out of 14,000 high school applicants &#8211; who are nearly all star athletes as well as top academic performers &#8211; only 1,200 are admitted. Of those, twenty percent drop out before graduation, including a substantial number in the first weeks.</p><p>Fitness didn&#8217;t predict who would leave; nor did academic achievement. Then Duckworth stumbled on the idea of grit. Suddenly, just by giving cadets a few questions, she could predict who would make it to graduation and who would leave a few weeks in.</p><p>And grit didn&#8217;t just explain who would graduate from West Point. It seemed to explain success in areas of life as diverse as who&#8217;d be crowned spelling bee champion to who would top a company&#8217;s sales figures.</p><p>But what exactly is grit?</p><p>Grit, for Duckworth, has two aspects &#8211; perseverance and consistency of interests. Perseverance obviously encapsulates how hard you are willing to work. Consistency of interests looks at whether you flit between hobbies and activities or stay focused year after year.</p><p>But interest is often forgotten, especially in schools. It doesn&#8217;t matter whether you&#8217;re interested in English or maths, you still need to work hard towards your exams.</p><p>Duckworth&#8217;s own work doesn&#8217;t help with this simplification. She sums up grit in two equations:</p><p><strong>talent x effort = skill</strong></p><p><strong>skill x effort = achievement</strong></p><p>Effort, then, is the most important aspect of achievement. Many schools can be forgiven for reducing grit to the idea that you need to work hard (even when you don&#8217;t feel like it) to succeed.</p><p>The question is, are they right?</p><p>Does persevering really make a difference?</p><h3>So, which is best?</h3><p>In an ideal world, we&#8217;d take a hundred thousand kids from across the world and give them a questionnaire. We&#8217;d ask them about grit and growth mindset.</p><p>We could then, for example, take the top 10% in each group &#8211; grit and growth mindset &#8211; and compare their scores in maths, reading and science.</p><p>Who did best, those top in growth mindset or grit?</p><p>Luckily, we don&#8217;t need to &#8211; someone&#8217;s already done it for us. The OECD&#8217;s PISA test is taken by hundreds of thousands of fifteen-year-olds around the world every few years. As well as assessing which country&#8217;s students do best in mathematics, reading and science, they look at &#8216;soft skills&#8217; including growth mindset and perseverance.</p><p>Perseverance? What happened to grit?</p><p>First, as the Education Secretary suggests, while grit is a complex concept, most schools are only interested in the perseverance part. It&#8217;s about trying hard when things get tough.</p><p>Also, PISA&#8217;s perseverance construct isn&#8217;t that far away from Duckworth&#8217;s original grit scale.</p><p>Take these two:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-iY6!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e151303-8698-460c-a904-e7171974b1fd_1212x330.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-iY6!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e151303-8698-460c-a904-e7171974b1fd_1212x330.png 424w, 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srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-iY6!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e151303-8698-460c-a904-e7171974b1fd_1212x330.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-iY6!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e151303-8698-460c-a904-e7171974b1fd_1212x330.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-iY6!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e151303-8698-460c-a904-e7171974b1fd_1212x330.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!-iY6!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5e151303-8698-460c-a904-e7171974b1fd_1212x330.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Although I should probably just say &#8216;perseverance&#8217;, &#8216;grit&#8217; is a bit catchier. I&#8217;ll use the two interchangeably from now on, but bear in mind that Duckworth&#8217;s scale includes consistency of interests too, e.g. &#8216;My interests change from year to year&#8217; (reverse scored, so ticking &#8216;agree&#8217; gets you a low score).</p><p>The growth mindset scale is a <a href="https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2021/04/can-a-growth-mindset-help-disadvantaged-students-close-the-gap_96f389c6/20922f0d-en.pdf">cut-down version of Dweck&#8217;s original questions</a>. The key question is this one: &#8216;Agree/disagree: Your intelligence is something about you that you cannot change very much.&#8217;</p><p>So, what happens when we put growth mindset and grit (perseverance) head-to-head? Which has the strongest effect on test scores?</p><h3>But how WEIRD is our sample?</h3><p>The analysis below is quick and simple. It&#8217;s an approximation. A thorough analysis would take many more stages and deal with a few issues a bit more rigorously than I have.</p><p>One of the main problems is that kids taking the PISA tests don&#8217;t answer all the questions, only a selection of them. If we look at just the countries where at least 90% of kids answered questions about growth mindset and perseverance, we&#8217;re left with only 19 countries out of the <a href="https://www.oecd.org/en/about/programmes/pisa/pisa-participants.html">80 that took part</a>.</p><p>It doesn&#8217;t sound that much, but the sample still includes 145,000 students.</p><p>The main worry is whether these countries are really that representative, globally speaking:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bCsv!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a7e0a08-6783-45d0-9b2a-859f104a610c_1356x946.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bCsv!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a7e0a08-6783-45d0-9b2a-859f104a610c_1356x946.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bCsv!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a7e0a08-6783-45d0-9b2a-859f104a610c_1356x946.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bCsv!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a7e0a08-6783-45d0-9b2a-859f104a610c_1356x946.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bCsv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a7e0a08-6783-45d0-9b2a-859f104a610c_1356x946.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!bCsv!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2a7e0a08-6783-45d0-9b2a-859f104a610c_1356x946.png" width="1356" height="946" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2a7e0a08-6783-45d0-9b2a-859f104a610c_1356x946.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:946,&quot;width&quot;:1356,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A map of the world with red countries/regions\n\nAI-generated content may be incorrect.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A map of the world with red countries/regions

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There wasn&#8217;t enough evidence to say. And the sample of 19 countries above isn&#8217;t immune from this criticism: most obviously, there are no African or South American nations included at all.</p><p>But the sample is more diverse than it might look at first glance: alongside Western European nations, the sample includes T&#252;rkiye, Mexico and several high-performing East Asian systems whose educational cultures differ substantially from Western norms.</p><p>Then there&#8217;s a second simplification (and complication).</p><p>PISA doesn&#8217;t give each student a single score for mathematics, reading and science; instead, it estimates a range of possible scores. A thorough analysis would take all of them into account.</p><p>I&#8217;m just going to use what&#8217;s called the first &#8216;plausible value&#8217;. So, bear in mind it&#8217;s an estimate, but it will get us close enough. Even published, peer-reviewed papers like <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41539-025-00365-8">this Nature article</a> do this sometimes.<sup>[3]</sup></p><p>Before we release the results, a word about what the scores actually mean.</p><h3>Can you really make airplanes out of dogs?</h3><p>Six birds flew over the trees</p><p>The window sang loudly</p><p>Airplanes are made of dogs</p><p>Do these sentences make sense?</p><p>If you <a href="https://www.oecd.org/en/about/programmes/pisa/pisa-test.html">can answer correctly</a>, you&#8217;re on the way to a decent score on the reading fluency section.</p><p>There are trickier and more interesting comprehension questions &#8211; on a made-up blog about Rapa Nui, for example, and discovering whether you can give aspirin to chickens via a chat forum.</p><p>The OECD keeps a tight hold of most of the questions, though, which allows them to compare scores. If the UK scores 500 points in science this year, is this really an improvement over the 490 last time or is this grade inflation?</p><p>If everyone answers the same questions every four years, it&#8217;s easy to compare.</p><p>What&#8217;s a <a href="https://www.oecd.org/content/dam/oecd/en/publications/reports/2023/12/pisa-2022-results-volume-i_76772a36/53f23881-en.pdf">&#8216;good&#8217; PISA score</a>? In some ways, it depends how your country did last time. Beat the previous score and your nation&#8217;s Education Secretary will be on the phone to the papers to organise a press conference.</p><p>It also depends on how your rivals do. And, of course, the pace setters, like Singapore, Korea, Japan and their neighbours like Taipei (Taiwan), Macao (China) and Hong Kong. These top countries might be pushing 550.</p><p>The &#8216;average&#8217; used to be 500. It&#8217;s slipped a bit since then to around the 470s. And this is obviously where you&#8217;ll find the mid-ranking countries like Israel, or Malta or the Slovak Republic. Countries nearer the bottom, like Kosovo or Cambodia, fall below 380.</p><p>To give an idea of the spread of results, here are the reading scores for our 19 countries:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oVmn!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92f8842c-bd26-4e01-8ff6-748b10c8438e_1648x1134.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oVmn!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92f8842c-bd26-4e01-8ff6-748b10c8438e_1648x1134.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oVmn!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92f8842c-bd26-4e01-8ff6-748b10c8438e_1648x1134.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oVmn!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92f8842c-bd26-4e01-8ff6-748b10c8438e_1648x1134.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oVmn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92f8842c-bd26-4e01-8ff6-748b10c8438e_1648x1134.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!oVmn!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F92f8842c-bd26-4e01-8ff6-748b10c8438e_1648x1134.png" width="1456" height="1002" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/92f8842c-bd26-4e01-8ff6-748b10c8438e_1648x1134.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1002,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A graph of a number of scores\n\nAI-generated content may be incorrect.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A graph of a number of scores

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viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Enough preamble.</p><p>How do the gritty students compare to those with growth mindset?</p><h3>And the winner is&#8230;</h3><p>Let&#8217;s take the students who score in the top 10% for perseverance and compare them with those who score in the top 10% for growth mindset (obviously the same students might appear in both samples).</p><p>Then we see who gets the highest scores on mathematics, reading and science.</p><p>Time to cut to the results:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" 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loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>So, we have a clear winner.</p><p>It&#8217;s good to be gritty: students in the top 10% for perseverance outperform the average student in our sample by over 10 points across all three subjects.</p><p>That&#8217;s not bad going. <a href="https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/pisa-2022-results-volume-i_53f23881-en/full-report/the-state-of-learning-and-equity-in-education-in-2022_e65c570e.html">According to PISA</a>, 20 points equates to about a year&#8217;s worth of schooling.</p><p>Growth mindset does even better, though, adding between 14 and 17 points on top of the baseline across all subjects.</p><p>A thought experiment: Let&#8217;s imagine that those in the top 10% of each trait &#8211;grit and growth mindset &#8211; were countries. Where would they fall in our list of 19?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hhSO!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7223576c-e8ff-4d82-8934-f2f3463bfea4_1648x1134.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hhSO!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7223576c-e8ff-4d82-8934-f2f3463bfea4_1648x1134.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hhSO!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7223576c-e8ff-4d82-8934-f2f3463bfea4_1648x1134.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hhSO!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7223576c-e8ff-4d82-8934-f2f3463bfea4_1648x1134.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hhSO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7223576c-e8ff-4d82-8934-f2f3463bfea4_1648x1134.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!hhSO!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F7223576c-e8ff-4d82-8934-f2f3463bfea4_1648x1134.png" width="1456" height="1002" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/7223576c-e8ff-4d82-8934-f2f3463bfea4_1648x1134.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1002,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A graph with a green and blue bar\n\nAI-generated content may be incorrect.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A graph with a green and blue bar

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Who has the Education Secretary&#8217;s number? Someone WhatsApp her the graph and let&#8217;s dust down the growth mindset posters.</p><p>Not so fast!</p><p>There&#8217;s another concept we haven&#8217;t talked about yet (in this post, at least): curiosity.</p><p>The PISA test asks students how curious they are, too.</p><p>What if we took kids in the top 10% for curiosity? How would they compare?</p><h3>Getting curious about which trait matters most</h3><p>First, a word about curiosity.</p><p>Neuroscientists define it as the intrinsic motivation to learn.<sup>[4]</sup> It&#8217;s about wanting to do well rather than simply acing a test or doing it to get rewards (or avoid punishments).</p><p>Who&#8217;s curious, according to PISA? People who <em>strongly agree</em> with the following:</p><p>&#183; I am curious about many different things.</p><p>&#183; I like to ask questions.</p><p>&#183; I like learning new things.</p><p>And <em>disagree</em> with these:</p><p>&#183; I get frustrated when I have to learn the details of a topic.</p><p>&#183; I find learning new things to be boring.</p><p>As a gritty, persevering, growth-minded curiosity scholar, I have tried to trace the origins of these questions (the dark winter evenings just fly by in our household). Their genealogy, as Nietzsche might have put it, isn&#8217;t always that clear.</p><p>Still, people who agree &#8216;I am curious about many different things&#8217; are probably more curious than people who don&#8217;t agree with it.<sup>[5]</sup></p><p>So, enough preamble. How do those in the top 10% of the curiosity ratings compare to the gritty and growth mindset students?</p><h3>The big reveal</h3><p>As before, we take the top 10% of students in grit, growth mindset and curiosity. We look at the average scores across the three tests. Then we put them in a table and&#8230;</p><p>Voil&#224;.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GYIh!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d435734-2100-40f9-a236-3c4b5306f5e1_1200x218.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GYIh!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d435734-2100-40f9-a236-3c4b5306f5e1_1200x218.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!GYIh!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2d435734-2100-40f9-a236-3c4b5306f5e1_1200x218.png 848w, 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loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>And the same thing in the form of a helpful graph (note the dotted black representing the average for our 19 countries across all three tests and the fact we&#8217;ve started the y-axis at 490 points):</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6q4p!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3aaf3d3-701b-49e0-80cf-2ef39bc1eca1_904x706.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!6q4p!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Ff3aaf3d3-701b-49e0-80cf-2ef39bc1eca1_904x706.png 424w, 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A few points in PISA can make a big difference. The seven points that separate curiosity from growth mindset &#8211; its nearest rival &#8211; in mathematics are meaningful.</p><p>Say you started off with Latvia on 483 points in 21<sup>st</sup> place. An extra 7 points would allow you to leapfrog Finland, Slovenia, Czech Republic, Australia, Austria, Poland, the UK, Denmark, and Belgium into 12<sup>th</sup> position.</p><p>In science, the difference is starker: if you could switch from being in the top 10% of grit to the top 10% of curiosity, you&#8217;d make almost a year of progress in an instant (ignoring all the caveats mentioned above about missing data and using only one of the &#8216;plausible value&#8217; scores etc).</p><p>Insert curiosity into our &#8216;what if traits were countries&#8217; table and the gap is clear:</p><p>Time for another thought experiment.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png" width="1456" height="1002" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:1002,&quot;width&quot;:1456,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A graph of a student rank\n\nAI-generated content may be incorrect.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A graph of a student rank

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AI-generated content may be incorrect." srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Mnsd!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F55d8a639-764c-408a-b21c-cce93ed04759_1648x1134.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Let&#8217;s imagine that some schools went all-in on the educational interventions and promoted grit and growth mindset at the same time.</p><p>If we had a group of students who excelled in both areas, surely they would beat our curious students.</p><p>Right?</p><h3>Flipping the table</h3><p>Wrong.</p><p>Curiosity is no ordinary trait: it&#8217;s a learning superpower.</p><p>If we add the perseverance and growth mindset scores together and take the top 10% of students in <em>both </em>traits&#8230; these students still don&#8217;t reach the scores of the most curious students.</p><p>In fact, in reading, these gritty, growth mindset students are still the equivalent of three months behind their curious peers.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png" width="1202" height="300" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/d82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:300,&quot;width&quot;:1202,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:58045,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://chriscuriosity.substack.com/i/189062522?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!no2-!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fd82bbeaa-e6e4-43b0-a0cc-f54ce6b5c7b1_1202x300.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>Let&#8217;s do a crazy thought experiment.</p><p>Let&#8217;s add together the perseverance, growth mindset <em>and</em> curiosity scores for all students. Take the top 10% again and compare them to the ones who are in the top 10% simply ranking by curiosity.</p><p>The difference?</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png" width="1200" height="298" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:298,&quot;width&quot;:1200,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:60286,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://chriscuriosity.substack.com/i/189062522?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!ddI4!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F2b798cb2-4705-48fb-ad75-8848f35bc61a_1200x298.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This time, the triple-combo takes the crown, but there isn&#8217;t much in it. The difference is smaller than the gap between curiosity and either of its competitors.</p><p>Don&#8217;t worry about grit and growth mindset; you&#8217;d be as well simply concentrating on getting into the curiosity elite.</p><h3>Time to put 145,000 students into a line. And then another line&#8230;</h3><p>The top-10% comparison is the most intuitive way to look at the data, but there are two more rigorous tests worth mentioning &#8212; and they tell the same story.</p><p>The first is a correlation test.<sup>[6]</sup></p><p>Let&#8217;s take 10 students and line them up by curiosity scores, then test scores.</p><p>If they&#8217;re in the same order both times, their correlation scores would be 1 &#8211; a perfect correlation.</p><p>Let&#8217;s imagine they&#8217;re in completely the opposite order. The student top first would be bottom in the second case, and so on. This time, the correlation would be -1 &#8211; a perfect negative correlation.</p><p>No relation between the two? Correlation is 0 &#8211; no relationship.</p><p>For context, the correlation between height and weight in adults is around 0.5: most people in a sample who are heavier are also taller.</p><p>Here&#8217;s how our three traits score:</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png" width="904" height="190" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:190,&quot;width&quot;:904,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:27793,&quot;alt&quot;:null,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:&quot;image/png&quot;,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:&quot;https://chriscuriosity.substack.com/i/189062522?img=https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png&quot;,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!PgXS!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F4ed9d2a4-90f0-44df-8c78-4ed2aeb0db9e_904x190.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>First thing to note &#8211; all correlations are positive. Higher traits = higher test scores.</p><p>Second thing &#8211; all the scores are pretty low.</p><p>As a rough guide, correlations below 0.2 are often considered small in social science research, but in the case of the PISA test data, this is to be expected. Test scores are complicated, affected by hundreds of factors &#8211; teaching quality, home environment, sleep, what someone posted about you on social media the morning of the test.</p><p>A single psychological trait isn&#8217;t going to explain everything.</p><p>But within that context, across all subjects curiosity&#8217;s correlations are consistently larger than the alternatives &#8211; up to double, in some cases.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!x156!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F48154ff3-3d7e-4b1a-ad2e-9538680ddedc_904x494.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p>This finding holds across our sample.</p><p>Curiosity has a stronger correlation with all three test scores than growth mindset in all 19 countries and beats perseverance in 17 of 19.</p><p>Wherever you look, the pattern holds: curiosity correlates most strongly with test scores.</p><p>Note that this doesn&#8217;t mean curiosity causes higher test results, merely that the two go together. A rigorous analysis would look at curiosity&#8217;s effects over the longer term. We can&#8217;t rule out the effect that test success causes higher curiosity (or, of course, that both are caused by another factor).</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AmFJ!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e610c64-d389-4b7b-aa78-9c6b4825b2df_1278x952.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AmFJ!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e610c64-d389-4b7b-aa78-9c6b4825b2df_1278x952.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AmFJ!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e610c64-d389-4b7b-aa78-9c6b4825b2df_1278x952.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AmFJ!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e610c64-d389-4b7b-aa78-9c6b4825b2df_1278x952.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AmFJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e610c64-d389-4b7b-aa78-9c6b4825b2df_1278x952.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!AmFJ!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F9e610c64-d389-4b7b-aa78-9c6b4825b2df_1278x952.png" width="1278" height="952" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/9e610c64-d389-4b7b-aa78-9c6b4825b2df_1278x952.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:952,&quot;width&quot;:1278,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;A graph of a number of bar charts\n\nAI-generated content may be incorrect.&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="A graph of a number of bar charts

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Effectively, we take all the students, imagine they have identical scores for perseverance and growth mindset and plot their curiosity against their score in each subject.</p><p>Then we do the same for growth mindset (keeping curiosity and perseverance scores constant) and for perseverance.</p><p>The steeper the slope, the more dramatic the effect, say, being more curious has on your mathematics score.<sup>[7]</sup></p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!BVPm!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F5fde67f4-f3a2-4c4e-8040-a8075b8200d1_962x656.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" 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student who moves from average to one standard deviation above (i.e., from the 50<sup>th</sup> percentile to the 84<sup>th</sup>), perseverance and growth mindset staying the same, would score 14 points higher in reading. This is equivalent to about 9 months of schooling, by PISA&#8217;s measure.</p><p>Conclusion? Get curious.</p><p>In comparison, going from average to one standard deviation above in growth mindset adds just over six points.</p><p>The same shift in perseverance adds only half that.</p><p>The three traits aren&#8217;t just measuring the same thing in different ways, curiosity is doing something distinct.</p><p>And when it comes to PISA test scores, it makes a real difference.</p><h3>The upshot</h3><p>None of this means perseverance and growth mindset are useless.</p><p>They&#8217;re not.</p><p>And none of these traits operate in isolation &#8212; you can be curious and give up easily, or incredibly gritty about the wrong things. The strongest performers were those in the top 10% on <em>all three</em> measures together, which shouldn&#8217;t surprise anyone.</p><p>But if you had to bet on one trait &#8212; if you were designing a school culture, or thinking about how to raise a child, or deciding where to put your energy &#8212; the data makes a fairly unambiguous suggestion.</p><p>But wait a minute. Are we <em>really</em> measuring curiosity or grit or growth mindset here?<sup>[8]</sup> For curiosity, it&#8217;s hard to say for sure without doing a battery of other reliable tests (which don&#8217;t really exist).</p><p>But we probably can say that the students who score highest on curiosity have the <em>most positive attitude </em>towards curiosity.</p><p>And, therefore, the students who <em>most strongly think</em> <em>curiosity is a good thing</em> are likely to do better on the PISA tests than those who strongly think perseverance or growth mindset are good things.</p><p>Curiosity isn&#8217;t just an add-on. It isn&#8217;t something to tag onto your education policy or school&#8217;s mission statement. It shouldn&#8217;t be an afterthought to grit or growth mindset.</p><p>Having curiosity might be the thing that matters most.</p><p>Which raises an awkward question for anyone who spent the last decade putting up growth mindset posters, or the last year giving assemblies about grit: why aren&#8217;t we talking about curiosity?</p><h3>Acknowledgements</h3><p>My extremely patient PhD supervisor Dr Richard Brock looked over the code and post beforehand, and made lots of very sensible suggestions about how to improve the method to make it more robust. My excuses for taking coding shortcuts at every stage appear in the footnotes below. Run the full thing - with weightings, all the PVs and an MLM and you&#8217;ll get <em>almost</em> the same values, honest.</p><p>Sorry Richard! All errors are, obviously, mine.</p><h3>Endnotes and references:</h3><div><hr></div><p><sup>[1]</sup> Carol Dweck (2006) <em>Mindset: The New Psychology of Success</em></p><p><sup>[2]</sup> Angela Duckworth (2016) <em>Grit: The Power of Passion and Perseverance</em></p><p><sup>[3]</sup> Also, using all the PVs is complicated, takes a long time and my computer gets very hot while it&#8217;s doing it. The analysis is unweighted, too. PISA&#8217;s complex sampling design ideally requires student sampling weights to correct for unequal probability of selection, which would slightly widen our confidence intervals but is unlikely to change the substantive findings.</p><p><sup>[4]</sup> E.g. Baranes, A., Oudeyer, P.-Y., &amp; Gottlieb, J. (2015). Eye movements reveal epistemic curiosity in human observers. Vision Research, 117, 81&#8211;90; Gruber, M. J., Gelman, B. D., &amp; Ranganath, C. (2014). States of Curiosity Modulate Hippocampus-Dependent Learning via the Dopaminergic Circuit. Neuron, 84(2), 486&#8211;496; Van Lieshout, L. L., De Lange, F. P., &amp; Cools, R. (2020). Why so curious? Quantifying mechanisms of information seeking. Current Opinion in Behavioral Sciences, 35, 112&#8211;117.</p><p><sup>[5]</sup> See Note 7.</p><p><sup>[6]</sup> Growth mindset scores were non-normally distributed, so we should use a different correlation test with these, but Spearman rank correlations tell a similar story.</p><p><sup>[7]</sup> These are very simple linear models. One thing a fuller analysis would do is also control for socioeconomic background &#8212; wealthier students tend to score higher on tests and may also report higher curiosity, simply because they have more opportunities to pursue their interests. We haven&#8217;t done that here. It&#8217;s possible that some of curiosity&#8217;s apparent advantage reflects this overlap. That said, the consistency of the finding across 19 very different countries &#8212; from Mexico to Singapore, from Greece to South Korea &#8212; makes a pure wealth explanation harder to sustain. A more rigorous analysis would also use multilevel modelling (MLM), which accounts for the fact that students aren&#8217;t independent observations &#8212; they&#8217;re clustered in schools, which are clustered in countries, each with their own characteristics. Our simple regression treats all 145,000 students as if they were independent, which slightly overstates our confidence in the results. In practice, the direction and rough magnitude of the findings are unlikely to change, but the standard errors would be larger and the significance thresholds harder to reach. Think of it this way: knowing that two students from the same school both score highly tells you less than knowing the same about two students from different schools on opposite sides of the world &#8212; the MLM approach adjusts for this.</p><p><sup>[8]</sup> The PISA questionnaire uses what&#8217;s called &#8216;self-report&#8217; to measure traits. You can&#8217;t cheat on the test &#8211; or so the idea goes. You can tick strongly agree on all the curiosity or growth mindset questions, though. Are those who score highest on curiosity <em>really</em> the most curious students? We&#8217;ve got no way of knowing. Many people have tried other ways to measure curiosity; few have succeeded convincingly. It&#8217;s easier to make the case that we&#8217;re genuinely measuring grit or growth mindset on PISA than curiosity. Grit and growth mindset are both psychological constructs. They&#8217;re defined by getting a high score on a questionnaire. It&#8217;s a bit more debatable with curiosity. There are several competing &#8216;instruments&#8217; for measuring curiosity (and PISA have created their own). There are even people (like me) who disagree that we should think of curiosity purely as a psychological construct &#8211; it&#8217;s a bit more complicated than that.</p><div class="subscription-widget-wrap-editor" data-attrs="{&quot;url&quot;:&quot;https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/subscribe?&quot;,&quot;text&quot;:&quot;Subscribe&quot;,&quot;language&quot;:&quot;en&quot;}" data-component-name="SubscribeWidgetToDOM"><div class="subscription-widget show-subscribe"><div class="preamble"><p class="cta-caption">Thanks for reading Chris's Substack! Subscribe for free to receive new posts and support my work.</p></div><form class="subscription-widget-subscribe"><input type="email" class="email-input" name="email" placeholder="Type your email&#8230;" tabindex="-1"><input type="submit" class="button primary" value="Subscribe"><div class="fake-input-wrapper"><div class="fake-input"></div><div class="fake-button"></div></div></form></div></div>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Likes, Swipes and Clickbait]]></title><description><![CDATA[How our Attention is Hijacked by &#8216;Shallow Curiosity&#8217;]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/likes-swipes-and-clickbait</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/likes-swipes-and-clickbait</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 12 Jan 2026 19:20:53 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/01669587-e8f5-4749-8061-f70e8c51c856_1024x1024.webp" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8216;Curiosity has much in common with the sex drive, which is also a powerful motivator, highly stimulus bound, and associated with impulsive behaviour and disappointment.&#8217;</p></blockquote><p>George Loewenstein, The Psychology of Curiosity: A Review and Reinterpretation</p><p>Some inventions have saved humanity countless centuries&#8217; worth of work. The washing machine, dishwasher. Cranes, trucks, diggers. Maybe, someday, we&#8217;ll be able to put AI into that category.</p><p>Social media is another story, with its endless news feeds and clickbait.</p><p>How much time have these inventions cost humanity?</p><p>They thrive by making us think we might be missing out. By making us think we have to pay attention, by making us curious.</p><p>Yet understanding how our curiosity works &#8211; particularly the difference between deep and shallow curiosity &#8211; can help us regain control over our attention.</p><h3>Swipe right</h3><p>Often, curiosity starts with a question.</p><p><em>How can we get people to use Tinder when they&#8217;re on the move and only have one hand to spare?</em></p><p>Tinder co-founder Jonathan Badeen was thinking about this problem and getting nowhere.<a href="#1c4c1b8f-3686-4708-a776-4be0862143c2"><sup>1</sup></a> Then one morning he woke up with the idea.</p><p>Imagine you have a stack of cards. Each one has a face on it and your job is to sort them into a &#8216;yes&#8217; and a &#8216;no&#8217; pile.</p><p>A simple idea that drove Tinder&#8217;s growth, giving swiping a whole new meaning. It became an activity.</p><p>It wasn&#8217;t even the swiping as much as the excitement &#8211; what next? Who else might be lurking around the corner: A lonely supermodel? A sexy billionaire? Or even The One?</p><p>And the thought that while you&#8217;re swiping through photos of other people, millions of others are doing the same. Someone else is probably looking at your picture. Do they swipe left or right? When are you going to get a match? It&#8217;s the gamification of dating: when are you going to hit the jackpot?</p><h3>The psychology of gambling (in 100 words)</h3><p>Tinder&#8217;s creators took inspiration from psychology. In particular, the work of B.F. Skinner.</p><p>Skinner put pigeons in boxes. When a pigeon hit a button with its beak, food fell out. It carried on clicking.</p><p>It carried on clicking, in fact, even when no food came out.</p><p>Skinner had created a habit.</p><p>Want to make the habit even stronger? Don&#8217;t give the pigeon food each time it clicks the button. Instead, give it food every other time. Or every fifth time. Or, even better, after a random number of hits.</p><p>This variable reward schedule is the principle behind gambling machines like the one-armed bandit. You know the reward might come; you just don&#8217;t know when.</p><h3>Bored yet?</h3><p>Curiosity is a form of mental engagement. You can think about something &#8211; filling the washing machine, emptying the dishwasher &#8211; without being curious. But you can&#8217;t be curious without thinking about something. What we think about, and the way we think about it, determines the kind of curiosity we experience.</p><p>There are two types of curiosity, pioneering curiosity researcher Daniel Berlyne claimed &#8211;&nbsp;<em>specific</em> and&nbsp;<em>diversive</em><strong>&nbsp;</strong><em>curiosity</em>.<a href="#e0dd91a3-8dcf-4225-a231-8eaa9ea79cac"><sup>2</sup></a> If you&#8217;re trying to figure out a crossword puzzle, how an engine works or the location of El Dorado, that&#8217;s&nbsp;<em>specific curiosity</em>. It has a single target.</p><p><em>Diversive curiosity</em>&nbsp;is a vaguer state. It&#8217;s the relief of boredom. You&#8217;re scrolling on your phone or flicking through TV channels waiting for something to grab your attention.</p><p>But it&#8217;s possible to move from one to the other.</p><p>Think of the toddler wandering around, searching for something exciting. They spot your jewellery box and think they&#8217;ve hit the jackpot.</p><p>This, in some ways, is what much of the internet aspires to &#8211; taking us out of that aimless state and giving us something we can get our teeth into. Something that really hooks us.</p><p>Social media thrives on engagement. It&#8217;s one of the key metrics of success and growth. The more people use your app, the more advertising revenue you can take.</p><p>If you want to keep eyeballs on an ad, curiosity is a surefire way of ensuring engagement. But this often leads to a race to the bottom. The focus is on grabbing attention rather than sustaining it, which leads to hyperbolic headlines and flashing banners.</p><p>There are so many apps and websites competing for our attention that it&#8217;s easy to become passive. We begin depending on their stimulation for our entertainment. We forget what it&#8217;s like to grapple with a problem, how to formulate questions and find reliable answers.</p><p>Without our computers or phones, we become bored. And, as psychology has shown, it isn&#8217;t all that difficult to hook the attention of people who are bored.</p><h2>Shocking experiments</h2><p>People would rather give themselves electric shocks than be left alone with their own thoughts.</p><p>In one experiment, psychologists left participants alone in a room. Everyone had previously said they would pay to avoid an electric shock, but within fifteen minutes, two thirds of men and a quarter of women had pushed the button to give themselves a shock. <a href="#7822af58-0566-4c5f-b9ed-f99eeb1166b5"><sup>3</sup></a></p><p>Why?</p><p>Diversive curiosity. It turns out anything is better than boredom, even an electric shock.</p><p>Sit by yourself with only a button in front of you and you start to wonder what the shock might feel like. How strong it might be.</p><p>In another series of experiments, Christopher K. Hsee and Bowen Ruan investigated exactly this idea.<a href="#bd5f54d1-1793-4b57-813b-997a0c90e3d8"><sup>4</sup></a></p><p>Again, participants were left waiting in a room, ostensibly between other tasks. This time, they had a box of pens in front of them. All the pens had a sticker on them. For some participants, the colour of the sticker told them whether or not they&#8217;d get a painful 60V shock. Other participants didn&#8217;t know which pens would shock them.</p><p>On average, the participants who didn&#8217;t know which pens would shock them clicked twice as many pens. Even more strangely, in the other group, participants clicked more of the pens they&nbsp;<em>knew</em>&nbsp;would shock them than the pens that wouldn&#8217;t.</p><p>In another test, participants had all three types of pens &#8211; ones that were certain to shock them, ones that definitely wouldn&#8217;t and ones they didn&#8217;t know about. Again, participants clicked more than twice as many of the uncertain pens than either the ones that would definitely shock them or definitely not shock them.</p><p>Participants also chose to listen to an uncertain sound, which could be nails down a chalkboard, over the guarantee of a pleasant tune. Their feelings suffered as a result. The more they chose the uncertain sound, the worse they claimed to feel as time went on.</p><p>Even when we know the outcome could be harmful or painful, our curiosity often drives us to choose the uncertain option.</p><h3>Curiosity&#8217;s dark side</h3><p>We are told that curiosity is a good thing. In the last week alone, I&#8217;ve seen curiosity used to sell newspaper subscriptions, university courses and the Church of England.</p><p>Celebrities and scientists have praised curiosity. Steve Jobs put his ability to innovate down to his ceaseless curiosity. Psychologist Bren&#233; Brown has described curiosity as a &#8216;superpower&#8217;.</p><p>Sometimes, though, your own curiosity can get the better of you.</p><p>In 2017, a group of researchers asked 600 US psychology undergrads to complete an online personality assessment.<a href="#ac96a500-3b8b-4114-b5d7-d4fa413012a6"><sup>5</sup></a></p><p>The real test, though, was yet to come.</p><p>Two weeks later, some of the students got an email from a suspicious source. Those who clicked were more likely to be risk takers who were prone to boredom and lacked focus.</p><p>The decisive factor, though, was how curious they were. Those high in curiosity needed to know their results, regardless of how dubious the source of the email was.</p><p>Studies have found that curious people are more likely to party than to study, to engage in risky behaviour and to experiment with drugs &#8211; or, at least, to use curiosity as an excuse for trying drugs.<a href="#f467256f-e6d6-44b7-ad80-9548be8ef784"><sup>6</sup></a></p><h3>Never stray from the path</h3><p>When we&#8217;re browsing, we&#8217;re like the character in a fairytale, staring up at the trees as we wander while the wolf stalks us.</p><p>Our curiosity makes us oblivious to the dangers lurking around us.</p><p>We&#8217;ve been told to stay on the path &#8211; the safe websites, the ones with that little padlock at the top. But our curiosity makes us stray.</p><p>We drop breadcrumbs to show us the way back but advertisers and &#8216;information merchants&#8217; like the social media giants are following behind, pecking them up as they go.</p><p>The more we click, the more we allow online lurkers to learn about&nbsp;<em>us</em>. The tech giants are just as curious as we are. They want to know about our gender identity, our age, our income, and our deepest wishes.</p><p>It&#8217;s not so much that they want to blackmail us &#8211; that would be too much effort. They exploit our desires. Why try and sell a top-of-the-line robotic lawnmower to a tech worker who lives in an apartment building when you could sell her the latest phone contract or coffee machine?</p><p>And they&#8217;re usually our most benign stalkers.</p><p>Because there are potential blackmailers are lurking out there. People who seem like desperate students or lovelorn widows. But who knows what they are really after.</p><p>Young people (and not so young people) are also lured towards extremist positions by peddlers of conspiracy theories. Information and mis-information &#8211; curiosity doesn&#8217;t always distinguish.</p><p>At least, one form of curiosity doesn&#8217;t.</p><h3>Read this section to discover one life-changing hack!</h3><p><em>Use this crazy old recipe to lose half your bodyweight in a day!</em></p><p><em>A man asked an old lady to give up her seat on the Tube. You won&#8217;t believe what happened next!</em></p><p><em>Answer 8 questions to find out if you have a higher IQ than Einstein</em></p><p>Clickbait headlines promise to change your life and instead end up delivering a lifetime&#8217;s supply of cookies and pop-up ads.</p><p>Sometimes it can feel like the entire internet is screaming for us to look, like a class of eager toddlers who&#8217;ve just finished their finger paintings.</p><p>In 1994, the psychologist George Loewenstein wrote an academic paper summarising the research on curiosity to date.<a href="#74ba154c-6d8f-4ac0-82d5-8a68a4d80c39"><sup>7</sup></a></p><p>Curiosity, he claimed, has four defining features:</p><ol><li><p>It is short lived</p></li><li><p>It makes us impulsive</p></li><li><p>It creates an intensity within us</p></li><li><p>We&#8217;re left disappointed after our curiosity has been sated</p></li></ol><p>We will call these the&nbsp;<em>Loewenstein Criteria</em>.</p><p>These four features certainly apply to&nbsp;<em>some examples&nbsp;</em>of curiosity &#8211; the curiosity that makes us click on a dodgy link in a phishing email or follow a headline promising unbelievable rates of return on our investments.</p><p>Lots of the research Loewenstein drew on was designed to be carried out in the laboratory &#8211; easily controlled and measured, with repetitive questions and a short timescale.</p><p>Often, this is not a good way of modelling real-life curiosity.</p><p>Think about <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2025/12/15/take-nobodys-word-for-it/">Sir Isaac Newton&#8217;s work in mathematics and physics</a>, <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2025/12/22/get-curious-about-yourself/">Frida Kahlo&#8217;s expressions of her experiences</a> or, indeed, <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2025/12/08/the-psychology-of-the-cliffhanger/">Loewenstein&#8217;s own, decades-long research into curiosity</a>.</p><p>This work is long-lived, requires careful, deliberate thought and the intensity peaks and dissipates across the days and years. The answers, when they come, can be extremely satisfying, and lead to yet more questions.</p><p>These are all examples of&nbsp;<em>deep curiosity</em>. Curiosity that gets under your skin. That helps you to grow. That, occasionally, changes the world.</p><p>Loewenstein&#8217;s Criteria can help us to distinguish good from bad. If it ticks the four boxes above, it&#8217;s&nbsp;<em>shallow curiosity</em>.</p><h3>Deep Curiosity</h3><p>Shallow curiosity tends to be associated with a stimulus.</p><p>It&#8217;s triggered by a tantalising headline or a few whispered words.</p><p>Or through the senses &#8211; the smell of a street food stall, the intro to a song or a face across the room.</p><p>Deep curiosity &#8211; the sort that enriches our lives and helps us to grow &#8211; remains even when the stimulus fades away.</p><p>It&#8217;s the feeling we get when we&#8217;re falling in love. When we think about the object of our affection, even when they&#8217;re miles from us, and wonder what they&#8217;re doing. What they&#8217;re thinking about.</p><p>It&#8217;s the curiosity that wakes us up at midnight with an insight that might become a breakthrough on a project.</p><p>It&#8217;s the curiosity that has driven progress in the sciences and the arts and transformed the world through technological innovation.</p><p>Deep curiosity is always there, waiting. We just need to take a moment away from all those screaming headlines, which promise so much and deliver so little, to find it.</p><h3>Sources</h3><ol><li><p>BBC Three. (2025).&nbsp;<em>Dating Apps: The Inside Story</em>. 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I want to learn. I want to see. I want to do things I don&#8217;t know if I can do.&#8217;</p></blockquote><p>PJ Harvey &#8211; <a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-18/pj-harvey-2025-interview-australia/105059736">in an interview with ABC news</a></p><h3>Losing her religion</h3><p>By 2016, PJ Harvey had been nominated for every songwriting award going. She&#8217;d won a fair few, too. The only artist to have won the Mercury Music Prize twice, she&#8217;d also been given an MBE for services to music.</p><p>For twenty years, she&#8217;d written, recorded and performed music. It was what she did. But now, after a year on the road, something changed.</p><p>&#8216;As an artist, I was feeling lost,&#8217; <a href="https://crackmagazine.net/article/profiles/pj-harvey-cover-story/">she later said</a>.</p><p>She knew she should be thinking about the next album, but <a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/07/05/1186111211/pj-harvey-on-how-she-turned-her-epic-poem-orlam-into-a-potent-new-album">she&#8217;d hit a roadblock</a>:</p><p>&#8216;I&#8217;ve always just been so curious as a person. I love learning. That&#8217;s also why I don&#8217;t want to do the same things over and over again.&#8217;</p><p>Music had lost its hold on her.</p><h3>The problem with having superior tastes</h3><p>Take two people you know. One of them loves everything. Whoever they meet, wherever they go, they&#8217;re enthusiastic about it all. They want to chat to everyone and find out everything they can about the world.</p><p>The other? They play it cool. They tell you it&#8217;s not their sport, not their type of art, not the right food. The person they just met? Boring. Too full of themselves. Doesn&#8217;t have the right outlook.</p><p>Other than their attitude, in what way is the second type of person superior to the first? They present a persona of aloofness and refined taste, but something fundamental is missing. Where&#8217;s their enjoyment of life?</p><p>For the philosopher Bertrand Russell, the first character had something the second was lacking: zest.</p><p>Zest is a spark, an energy, an enthusiasm for discovery. And there are many reasons someone might not have it. Maybe, like our second character, they want to seem cool and sophisticated. They might be afraid or lack confidence. It could be down to illness, or it might simply be a habit.</p><p>For Russell, zest gives life meaning. Zest is about keeping that childlike joy, that need to engage with everything we come across.</p><p>We lose this at school or work, Russell argues, when we forget how to direct our own attention and rely on others instead. Even when we can choose how to spend our time, we simply feel bored or tired.</p><p>Having zest requires more than just freedom. It requires, for Russell, &#8216;the smooth working of the psychological machine&#8217;. If we are afraid to try new things, to explore novel experiences, to make mistakes, our zest will take a hit.</p><p>Zest also helps draw us out of ourselves. Interest in the world around us prevents us obsessing about ourselves &#8211; our worries, what others think of us. Russell gives the example of Sherlock Holmes finding a hat on the street. Within an instant, he can describe the life of the owner through the tiny clues he discovers.</p><p>How can life fail to be fascinating, Russell asks, for someone who takes such an interest in mundane objects?</p><h3>This one simple trick will make you a musical genius</h3><p>PJ Harvey had zest in spadefuls. &#8216;I always think it&#8217;s so sad that when we get older, we tend to stop playing with our imagination like we do when we&#8217;re young,&#8217; <a href="https://www.hotpress.com/music/happy-birthday-pj-harvey-revisiting-a-classic-hot-press-interview-23053712">she said</a>.</p><p>So what changed in 2016 to make her lose her love of music?</p><p>Before we find out what she did next, it&#8217;s important to understand a bit more about how she works.</p><p>Don&#8217;t tell her to sell out stadiums, <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/apr/24/pj-harvey-england-shake-interview">her manager warns</a>: &#8216;She&#8217;s not driven in any way by commercial imperatives. Really, she&#8217;s working to satisfy herself.&#8217;</p><p>And what drives her is relentless curiosity.</p><p>She started out as a sculptor. After she&#8217;d created something at art school, she immediately wanted to create its opposite. Even when she became famous through her music, she was inspired by filmmakers and painters rather than other musicians.</p><p>Her secret? Constantly challenge yourself. <a href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;source=web&amp;rct=j&amp;opi=89978449&amp;url=https://thequietus.com/interviews/pj-harvey-interview-let-england-shake/&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjp2r3EvvGRAxWU_7sIHSzHH0MQFnoECBoQAQ&amp;usg=AOvVaw13l5LBrxhq3maLtnb_IPOH">As she puts it</a>: &#8216;it&#8217;s good to put oneself in unfamiliar situations. And that might be as simple as an instrument you don&#8217;t know how to play.&#8217;</p><p>Simple. Right.</p><p>She isn&#8217;t the only person to take this approach. REM&#8217;s Peter Buck wrote the riff to &#8216;Losing My Religion&#8217; just after he&#8217;d bought a mandolin and was trying it out.</p><p>Some artists switch between media to challenge themselves. Picasso created prints, sculptures, ceramics and collages, each time finding a new way to express his ideas.</p><p>In&nbsp;<em>Think Again</em>, Adam Grant discusses the Harvard philosopher Robert Nozick. Except for a class on the good life, he never taught the same course twice. &#8216;I do my thinking through the courses I give,&#8217; Nozick said.</p><p>There is a term in Zen Buddhism &#8211;&nbsp;<em>Shoshin</em>&nbsp;&#8211; meaning &#8216;beginner&#8217;s mind&#8217;. It encompasses openness, eagerness to learn and a lack of preconceptions. Most closely associated with the martial arts, it&#8217;s a way to counter the narrowing of thought that can creep in when people consider themselves experts.</p><p>It is this attitude &#8211;&nbsp;<em>Shoshin</em>&nbsp;&#8211; that PJ Harvey describes when she talks about the importance of putting yourself in unfamiliar situations.</p><p>With zest, it is easy to put yourself into the beginner&#8217;s mind. When you&#8217;re focused on what takes your interest and sparks your curiosity, you find yourself taking a path without knowing where it might lead.</p><p>But surely there are limits to this.</p><p>Maybe in music you can keep taking up a new instrument to inspire yourself, but what about a field like science, where there is so much to learn? Don&#8217;t you have to move past the beginner&#8217;s mind and become an expert before you make an impact?</p><h3>Short-circuiting the ten-year rule</h3><p>To become an expert at anything takes 10,000 hours of deliberate practice &#8211; or around 10 years. This is the way Malcolm Gladwell explained K. Anders Ericsson&#8217;s finding that top professional violinists put in thousands of hours more practice than those destined to become only amateurs.</p><p>Robert and Michele Root-Bernstein have spent their careers studying what separates Nobel winners from near-misses. And they think there&#8217;s another way to succeed.</p><p>Take Darwin, who&nbsp;mastered ten disciplines, by their count, ranging from botany to paleontology. This should have taken a century, but he managed to integrate ideas from all of them to form the theory of evolution in thirty years.</p><p>Top scientists (and Nobel winners in other fields) have that beginners&#8217; mindset &#8211;&nbsp;<em>Shoshin</em>. They are constantly retraining themselves, unafraid of seeing themselves as &#8216;serious amateurs&#8217;. They can apply ideas they learn in one area to a different field.</p><p>Top scientists also have a wide range of hobbies, from the arts and drama to creative writing and crafts like woodwork. In fact, they are fifteen to twenty-five times more likely than the average scientist or US citizen to have hobbies.</p><p>Hobbies are correlated with every measure of success you can think of &#8211; from scientific papers published, grants received, companies founded to membership of academic bodies and receiving a Nobel Prize.</p><p>The least successful scientists see their hobbies as &#8216;regrettable wastes of time&#8217; that don&#8217;t help further their careers. Successful scientists can see the link between everything they do. Their activities outside science help them to generate novel ideas.</p><p>What do Einstein and Sherlock Holmes have in common? Both did their best thinking while they were playing the violin.</p><h3>Rediscovering her religion</h3><p>PJ Harvey never stopped learning. She was always ready to put herself back into that beginner&#8217;s mindset.</p><p>In 2014, she took poetry classes with renowned poet Don Paterson, who has won as many poetry awards as PJ Harvey has for songwriting.</p><p>He asked her to share her poetry. She thought he was just being polite, but he insisted. They collaborated, and PJ Harvey eventually published a book of verse.</p><p>When PJ Harvey was feeling burnt out after a year of touring, she went to another creative friend for help &#8211; the director, writer and artist Steve McQueen.</p><p>Focus on what you enjoy, <a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/07/05/1186111211/pj-harvey-on-how-she-turned-her-epic-poem-orlam-into-a-potent-new-album">McQueen told her</a>. Don&#8217;t worry about producing something, just follow your love of words, images and music.</p><p>&#8216;It helped me re-find the joy,&#8217; <a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/07/05/1186111211/pj-harvey-on-how-she-turned-her-epic-poem-orlam-into-a-potent-new-album">PJ Harvey said</a>. &#8216;That joy that I could remember having initially, when I first started writing songs when I was 17&#8217;.</p><p>She spent eight years on an epic, book-length poem written in the ancient Dorset dialect she remembered hearing in her youth. She explored the landscape of her childhood in her mind and on the page.</p><p>After she finished, the album that had eluded her &#8211; and her fans &#8211; for almost a decade came in a three-week rush as the music to accompany the poem spilled out of her. It was released to widespread critical acclaim and earned PJ Harvey her eighth Grammy nomination.</p><p>McQueen&#8217;s advice helped PJ Harvey to remove the boundaries that had appeared in her mind.&nbsp;</p><p>She rediscovered her zest.</p><h3>Finding your zest</h3><p>&#8216;One of the sources of unhappiness, fatigue and nervous strain is an inability to be interested in anything that is not of practical importance in one&#8217;s own life,&#8217; Bertrand Russell wrote.</p><p>We often try to force our thoughts down a particular path. If ideas don&#8217;t seem to fit into a particular project, we dismiss them. Like PJ Harvey, the direction we think we should be going in obscures the path we need to take to grow.</p><p>We can all heed Steve McQueen&#8217;s suggestion to go back to the fundamental things we love, like PJ Harvey&#8217;s focus on words, music and images. Whether it&#8217;s through learning a new instrument, a new artistic medium or teaching a new course, we always have the option of embracing the beginner&#8217;s mindset.</p><h3>Sources:</h3><p><strong>Books:</strong></p><p>Malcolm Gladwell (2008)&nbsp;<em>Outliers: The story of success</em></p><p>Adam Grant (2021)&nbsp;<em>Think Again: The Power of Knowing What You Don&#8217;t Know</em></p><p><strong>Academic Sources:</strong></p><p>Ericsson, K. A., Krampe, R. T., &amp; Tesch-R&#246;mer, C. (1993). The role of deliberate practice in the acquisition of expert performance.&nbsp;<em>Psychological Review</em>,&nbsp;<em>100</em>(3), 363&#8211;406.</p><p>Root-Bernstein, R., Allen, L., Beach, L., Bhadula, R., Fast, J., Hosey, C., Kremkow, B., Lapp, J., Lonc, K., Pawelec, K., Podufaly, A., Russ, C., Tennant, L., Vrtis, E., &amp; Weinlander, S. (2008). Arts foster scientific success: Avocations of Nobel, National Academy, Royal Society, and Sigma Xi members.&nbsp;<em>Journal of Psychology of Science and Technology, 1</em>(2), 51&#8211;63</p><p>Root-Bernstein, M., &amp; Root-Bernstein, R. (2022).&nbsp;Polymathy among Nobel Laureates as a creative strategy&#8212;The qualitative and phenomenological evidence.&nbsp;<em>Creativity Research Journal, 35</em>(1), 116&#8211;142.</p><p>Root-Bernstein, R., &amp; Root-Bernstein, M.&nbsp;&nbsp;(2020) A Statistical Study of Intra-Domain and Trans-Domain Polymathy among Nobel Laureates,&nbsp;<em>Creativity Research Journal</em>, 32:2, 93-112,</p><p>Root-Bernstein, R., &amp; Root-Bernstein, M. (2020). Polymathy. In M. Runco &amp; S. Pritzker (Eds.),&nbsp;<em>Encyclopedia of Creativity</em>&nbsp;(3rd ed., Vol. 2, pp. 375-381). Elsevier, Academic Press.</p><p><strong>Interviews:</strong></p><p>Louise Brailey (1 June 2023) Into the woods with PJ Harvey.&nbsp;<em>Crack Magazine</em>. <a href="https://crackmagazine.net/article/profiles/pj-harvey-cover-story/">https://crackmagazine.net/article/profiles/pj-harvey-cover-story/</a></p><p>Liam Fay (9 October 2024). Happy Birthday PJ Harvey: Revisiting a classic interview.&nbsp;<em>Hot Press.</em> <a href="https://www.hotpress.com/music/happy-birthday-pj-harvey-revisiting-a-classic-hot-press-interview-23053712">https://www.hotpress.com/music/happy-birthday-pj-harvey-revisiting-a-classic-hot-press-interview-23053712</a></p><p>Stephen Gallacher (17 May 2022) Don Paterson on poetry, PJ Harvey and why we need to use or risk losing our local dialects.&nbsp;<em>The Sunday Post.</em> <a href="https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/don-paterson">https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/don-paterson</a></p><p>Stephen Gallacher (21 August 2022) &#8216;People think I live in a cave and eat children. I don&#8217;t mind. I accept it&#8217;: Enigmatic rock siren PJ Harvey is happy to let book of poems speak for her.&nbsp;<em>The Sunday Post</em>.&nbsp;<a href="https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/pj-harvey-interview/">https://www.sundaypost.com/fp/pj-harvey-interview/</a></p><p>Dorian Lynskey (24 April 2011).&nbsp;<em>PJ Harvey: England Shake interview</em>. The Guardian.&nbsp;<a href="https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/apr/24/pj-harvey-england-shake-interview">https://www.theguardian.com/music/2011/apr/24/pj-harvey-england-shake-interview</a></p><p>Ann Powers (6 July 2023).&nbsp;&#8216;Life and death is such a fine line&#8217;: PJ Harvey on creating in a place between worlds.&nbsp;<em>NPR Music</em>.&nbsp;<a href="https://www.npr.org/2023/07/06/1185749989/pj-harvey-i-inside-the-old-year-dying-orlam-interview">https://www.npr.org/2023/07/06/1185749989/pj-harvey-i-inside-the-old-year-dying-orlam-interview</a></p><p>Jared Richards and Karen Leng (18 March 2025).&nbsp;<em>PJ Harvey, one of rock&#8217;s most influential figures, reflects on 35 years of making noise and never standing still</em>. ABC News.&nbsp;<a href="https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-18/pj-harvey-2025-interview-australia/105059736?utm_source=chatgpt.com">https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-03-18/pj-harvey-2025-interview-australia/105059736</a></p><p>The post <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2026/01/05/zest-for-life-how-curiosity-beats-the-10-year-rule/">Zest for Life: How Curiosity Beats the 10-Year Rule</a> appeared first on <a href="https://getcurious.blog">Get Curious</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Educate Yourself]]></title><description><![CDATA[Ada Lovelace and Jimi Hendrix&#8217;s 8-step programme]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/educate-yourself</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/educate-yourself</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 29 Dec 2025 06:45:29 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/62cced3d-bf26-404c-8a23-931c4ff45d27_300x235.jpeg" 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Ada Lovelace published the first &#8216;computer programme&#8217; for it.</em></p><p><em>Science Museum London. Photo via Wikimedia Commons.</em></p><blockquote><p>&#8216;Once you learn to read, you will be forever free.&#8217;</p></blockquote><p>Frederick Douglass</p><p>What do Leonardo da Vinci, Benjamin Franklin and Mary Wollestonecraft have in common?</p><p>What about Ada Lovelace and Jimi Hendrix?</p><p>For most people, learning happens at school. The traditional method can hamper innovation, though. If we fill everyone&#8217;s heads with the same ideas, can we really expect creative and original thoughts to pop out?</p><p>Autodidacts are people who teach themselves. Mostly. They might have had some schooling and found teachers along the way, but their knowledge is unique. Their way of thinking about the world is unlike anyone else&#8217;s.</p><p>Becoming responsible for your own education is not a simple process. There are false starts and dead ends. Hours spent on something you just don&#8217;t get.</p><p>But for autodidacts, the difficulty of the process is its strength. You can learn things other people can&#8217;t &#8211; or won&#8217;t. Because the journey is unpredictable, so are the results.</p><h3>Teaching yourself</h3><p>Given the choice, many autodidacts may have chosen the conventional learning route.&nbsp;</p><p>They did things differently because they had to.</p><p>They were excluded because, like Ada Lovelace and Mary Wollestonecraft, they were women, like Michael Faraday and Andrew Carnegie, they were too poor to receive an education, like Leonardo da Vinci, they were born out of wedlock, or Frederick Douglass and Jimi Hendrix, their skin was the wrong colour.</p><p>Their unconventional routes to knowledge gave them the tools to change the world. Michael Faraday&#8217;s discoveries changed our understanding of electricity and magnetism. Mary Wollstonecraft&#8217;s work laid the foundations for women&#8217;s rights movements. Frederick Douglass became a legendary speaker and pioneering abolitionist.</p><p>For many autodidacts, being outside the mainstream meant they could challenge convention. They didn&#8217;t need to follow the rules their peers were taught.</p><p>Many of these figures seem to have little in common. It&#8217;s hard to imagine two revolutionaries more different than Frederick Douglass, the social reformer, and Michael Faraday, the physicist. But, like many other autodidacts, they read obsessively.</p><p>Faraday, when he was an apprentice bookbinder, read every book he bound, taking meticulous notes in the process. As a slave, Frederick Douglass wasn&#8217;t allowed to learn to read and write, so he taught himself and later escaped. The urge to discover more through books stayed with him for life.</p><p>Superficially, the stories of Jimi Hendrix &#8211; born into poverty in Seattle in 1942 &#8211; and Ada Lovelace &#8211; the nineteenth-century English aristocrat &#8211; have little to connect them. They had different goals, faced different challenges and overcame these in different ways.</p><p>Like many autodidacts, however, their path to greatness hides lessons that we can all learn from. Their stories show the lengths you have to go to change the way the world thinks.</p><h3>Lesson 1: The barriers you face can become your greatest strengths</h3><p>So, you want to become a rock guitarist?</p><p>You want to change the face of rock and roll music forever.</p><p>You want your name and face to become synonymous with the instrument.</p><p>Where do you start?</p><p>A guitar, obviously. You&#8217;ll need lessons. Only then can you begin to dream.</p><p>Often, it&#8217;s our conventional assumptions that can hold us back. And our constraints can provide an opportunity to change the way things are done.</p><p>Jimi Hendrix didn&#8217;t have an easy start in life. He struggled at school and spent hours under the teacher&#8217;s desk as punishment for talking to friends.</p><p>Outside school, he was writing his own poetry so complex his cousin had to read each line again and again to understand it.</p><p>His parents were alcoholics and often fought. They separated when Hendrix was nine and his mother died when he was fifteen. His father refused to take him to the funeral, offering him a shot of whisky instead, as that was how men dealt with loss.</p><p>There was never a spare cent when Hendrix was growing up, so Hendrix had to help his father out removing rubbish from people&#8217;s houses. One day he came across a ukulele in an old woman&#8217;s house.</p><p>The ukulele only had one string.</p><p>He asked the woman if he could keep it.</p><p>He began to teach himself music while listening to the radio. It was rare to hear black musicians, so he played along to Elvis and Buddy Holly on his single-stringed ukulele.</p><p>A year later, he got his first acoustic guitar for $5. This was all he could afford. It was a right-handed guitar, and Hendrix was left-handed, so he restrung it and played it upside-down.</p><p>This contributed to his unique sound, but it also had symbolic significance. Even when he could afford a left-handed guitar, he continued playing a right-handed one upside down &#8211; it reinforced his image as someone who upturned convention.</p><p>According to music professor Jeanne Bamberger, many musical prodigies face a &#8216;midlife crisis&#8217; during adolescence following a childhood undergoing an intense and often externally dictated practice regime. During this teenage period of self-discovery, they question what makes them special. They begin to wonder how they can do the things they&#8217;ve always taken for granted. It&#8217;s a period that can make or break their musical careers.</p><p>As an autodidact, Hendrix didn&#8217;t face this crisis. He was just getting started.</p><p>His journey almost ended, though, before it really began.</p><h3>Lesson 2: Steal, borrow, appropriate &#8211; it&#8217;s all a learning experience</h3><p>When Hendrix was nineteen, he was caught riding in a stolen car.&nbsp;</p><p>It wasn&#8217;t the first time.&nbsp;</p><p>He was given a choice &#8211; army or jail. He joined the 101st Airborne Division but was discharged a year later for his lack of focus. He didn&#8217;t want to be a soldier; he just wanted to play guitar.</p><p>It wasn&#8217;t a wasted experience. Hendrix was intensely attached to sounds. He absorbed them in the same way others might revel in a meal at a Michelin-starred restaurant.</p><p>He realised he wanted to make his guitar sound like the horn in the swing bands he&#8217;d heard on his father&#8217;s records, or like the wind rushing past his ears as he plunged towards the earth as a paratrooper.&nbsp;</p><p>But as a black musician during a time of segregation, he struggled to get gigs. Later, he talked about the hell of sleeping outside between tenements, rats running across his chest. At times, he was reduced to eating orange peel and tomato paste.</p><p>It would have been easy for Hendrix to give up. Try rejoining the army &#8211; or go back to stealing cars.</p><p>Instead, when he was given a gig, he wasn&#8217;t going to waste the opportunity. He made sure he was noticed.</p><p>He created the most electrifying live performance possible.</p><p>When he saw something he liked, Hendrix incorporated it into his repertoire. In Seattle, he saw a guy playing guitar with his teeth. Hendrix copied him. And learnt to play his guitar behind his head for good measure.</p><p>His live act gained a reputation; soon, the crowds began to get out of control. When an audience in Munich invaded the stage, Hendrix fled. He smashed his guitar in the process. The crowd went wild. Hendrix incorporated the guitar destruction into his act.</p><h3>Lesson 3: Learn from everyone</h3><p>Everything he heard or saw became a lesson for Hendrix. He wasn&#8217;t limited by genre. &#8216;I just hate to be in one corner,&#8217; he said. He learnt the blues and rock and roll but also listened to Bob Dylan and classical music.</p><p>He covered other people&#8217;s songs, imbuing them with a manic energy. He experimented with distortion and feedback, incorporating the newly invented wah-wah pedal that makes songs like Voodoo Child so distinctive.</p><p>If Hendrix had been properly trained, the jazz musician Miles Davis noted, it would have affected the way he expressed himself. Had he &#8216;known all that other stuff,&#8217; he might have played a different way.</p><p>It was the challenges he faced that allowed Hendrix to reinvent rock music.</p><p>But challenge can come in many forms. The way we overcome them defines who we are and what we can achieve.</p><h3>Lesson 4: Choose the right teacher</h3><p>It&#8217;s almost impossible to imagine an upbringing more different to Jimi Hendrix&#8217;s than that of Ada Lovelace.</p><p>Her father was the poet Lord Byron. He had been expecting a &#8216;glorious boy&#8217; and was disappointed when he didn&#8217;t get one. Ada&#8217;s parents separated a month after she was born. Byron left England, never to return.</p><p>Ada&#8217;s mother was terrified that Ada might inherit Lord Byron&#8217;s madness. She later said of Ada, &#8216;I am told she is clever &#8212; I hope not; and, above all, I hope she is not poetical.&#8217;</p><p>To keep her away from the &#8216;poetical&#8217;, Ada was forced to follow a strict educational curriculum tailored to the mathematical and the logical. When Ada was six, her mother found out that geography was her favourite lesson. Lady Byron sacked Ada&#8217;s tutor and replaced the geography lessons with arithmetic.</p><p>When her mother thought she wasn&#8217;t working hard enough, Ada was put into solitary confinement, made to lie motionless and to write letters of apology.</p><p>Still, Ada was lucky to get any education.</p><p>Universities and scientific institutions were closed to women, but her connections gave her access to some of the greatest minds in the country.</p><p>She began corresponding with Augustus De Morgan, the first professor of mathematics at the University of London. De Morgan was impressed by her intellect. Had she been a young man about to go to Cambridge, De Morgan thought, the powers Ada possessed could have made her a mathematician of &#8216;first-rate eminence&#8217;.</p><p>He told Ada&#8217;s mother that Ada could reach the boundaries of mathematical knowledge &#8211; and even push beyond them.</p><p>Another tutor, Mary Somerville, the first person in history to be described as a &#8216;scientist&#8217;, had even more influence over Ada&#8217;s story &#8211; and the story of the computer.</p><h3>Lesson 5: Cross boundaries</h3><p>Somerville introduced Ada, aged seventeen, to the inventor Charles Babbage. Babbage was working on a calculation machine for the British government, the Analytical Engine.</p><p>It was one of the most ambitious projects of its era, a mass of wheels and cogs. The Analytical Engine possessed many of the elements of a modern computer. It could be &#8216;programmed&#8217; with punch cards. It could print an output. The position of its wheels formed its memory. The processor was &#8216;the mill&#8217;, a set of gears and cogs which could perform arithmetic.</p><p>It was too far ahead of its time. Babbage built parts and prototypes but never completed the machine.</p><p>His friend Ada, however, recognised the machine&#8217;s power. It was Ada who published the first programme for it, the first algorithm &#8211; the conversion of mechanical computing functions into logic.</p><p>Babbage saw the Analytical Engine as a powerful calculator. Ada thought it had more potential. If sounds could be turned into computing language, she thought, &#8216;the engine might compose elaborate and scientific pieces of music of any degree of complexity or extent.&#8217;</p><p>She also warned that the Analytical Engine could not produce original thought. While it could calculate, &#8216;it has no power of anticipating any analytical revelations or truths&#8217;.</p><p>A century after Ada&#8217;s publication, Alan Turing took issue with &#8216;Lady Lovelace&#8217;s objection&#8217;, arguing that machines could produce original results we couldn&#8217;t have predicted.</p><p>It is a debate that still rages today, with discussions about the capabilities of AI.</p><p>Ada&#8217;s passion was mathematics, but that alone wasn&#8217;t enough for her. She often expressed her thoughts through poetic rather than dry scientific language and brought her imagination to whatever she was studying. This allowed her to see the potential for the Analytical Engine &#8211; and, by extension, modern computers &#8211; before even its inventor could.</p><h3>Lesson 6: You don&#8217;t need exams or grades</h3><p>Ada had tutors, who helped drive her towards the boundaries of mathematics &#8211; and beyond, into the theory of computing, a world that had not previously existed.</p><p>Hendrix created his own curriculum. He played a single-string ukulele because that was all he had. He learned the songs of Elvis and Buddy Holly because that was what they played on the radio. He borrowed from the acts he saw on stage &#8211; mainly black musicians &#8211; because those were the ones he was allowed in to see.</p><p>It wasn&#8217;t organised. It didn&#8217;t have milestones or grades. Progress would have been frustratingly hard to measure. But Hendrix was driven along by a need to learn and play, something so deep it was impossible to put into words.</p><h3>Lesson 7: Whatever you choose to do, work hard at it</h3><p>There is no shortcut to greatness. Hendrix&#8217;s appetite for playing the guitar was voracious. He regularly spent eight to ten hours a day practising. Sometimes, he even went to sleep holding his guitar.</p><p>Later, in the studio, he insisted on hundreds of takes. The records had to match the sound in his head.</p><p>Ada Lovelace was recognised as a great mathematician at 18 and it was around this time she became interested in the Analytical Engine. She didn&#8217;t write her groundbreaking notes on the machine for another decade, though. In between, she wasn&#8217;t idle; she was always seeking new ways to learn.</p><h3>Lesson 8: Find your calling</h3><p>Jimi Hendrix and Ada Lovelace died young. Who knows what they could have achieved if Hendrix had lived past twenty-seven and Ada past thirty-six.</p><p>It&#8217;s testament to their achievements, though, that we still remember them. Even in the short time they had, they made their mark on the world. They did this, in part, by following their heart.</p><p>In elementary school, Hendrix clung to a broom, holding it like it was a guitar. He went everywhere with it. He was so attached to it that the school&#8217;s social worker got involved. She wrote to the school insisting that unless they bought him a guitar, he might suffer permanent psychological damage.</p><p>The school authorities weren&#8217;t convinced.</p><p>Later, he promoted himself to a cigar box with an elastic band across it before finding the single-stringed ukulele.</p><p>Ada&#8217;s combination of obsessive, self-led learning and imagination was evident from a young age. Aged twelve, she decided she wanted to fly. She constructed wings, testing out every material she could find. Like Leonardo da Vinci, she made a careful study of birds&#8217; wings and anatomy. She even wrote a book,&nbsp;<em>Flyology</em>, showing her findings.</p><p>Jimi Hendrix and Ada Lovelace didn&#8217;t start off as geniuses. They became one through a combination of determination, imitation, innovation, and taking every opportunity to learn.</p><p>By following the way of the autodidact &#8211; finding mentors, combining ideas and focusing on learning rather than exams or grades &#8211; you can take responsibility for your own education.</p><p>This way, you can build a body of knowledge that is as unique that of Ada Lovelace or Jimi Hendrix.</p><h3>Sources:</h3><p><strong>On Jimi Hendrix:</strong></p><p>Morrissey, A.-M. (2001) Beyond the image: The giftedness of Jimi Hendrix.&nbsp;<em>Roeper Review</em>, 24(1), 5&#8211;11&nbsp;</p><p>van der Bliek, R. (2007) The Hendrix chord: Blues, flexible pitch relationships, and self&#8209;standing harmony.&nbsp;<em>Popular Music</em>, 26(2), 343&#8211;364.&nbsp;</p><p>Waksman, S. (1999). Black sound, black body: Jimi Hendrix, the electric guitar, and the meanings of blackness.&nbsp;<em>Popular Music and Society, 23</em>(1), 75-113</p><p>Whiteley, S. (1990) Progressive rock and psychedelic coding in the work of Jimi Hendrix.&nbsp;<em>Popular Music</em>, 9(1), 37&#8211;60&nbsp;</p><p><strong>On Ada Lovelace:</strong></p><p>Hollings, C., Martin, U., &amp; Rice, A. (2017) The early mathematical education of Ada Lovelace.&nbsp;<em>BSHM Bulletin: Journal of the British Society for the History of Mathematics</em>, 32(3), 221&#8211;234&nbsp;</p><p>Hollings, C., Martin, U., &amp; Rice, A. (2017). The Lovelace&#8211;De Morgan mathematical correspondence: A critical re-appraisal.&nbsp;<em>Historia Mathematica,&nbsp;</em>44(3), 202-231&nbsp;</p><p>University of St Andrews.&nbsp;<em>MacTutor History of Mathematics Archive: Quotations from Ada Lovelace</em>. Available at:&nbsp;<a href="https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Lovelace/quotations/">https://mathshistory.st-andrews.ac.uk/Biographies/Lovelace/quotations/</a></p><p><strong>Other sources:</strong></p><p>Bamberger, J. (1982). Growing up prodigies: The midlife crisis.&nbsp;<em>New Directions for Child and Adolescent Development, 1982</em>(17), 61-77</p><p>The post <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2025/12/29/educate-yourself/">Educate Yourself</a> appeared first on <a href="https://getcurious.blog">Get Curious</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Get curious about yourself]]></title><description><![CDATA[Lessons from Frida Kahlo and Montaigne]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/get-curious-about-yourself</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/get-curious-about-yourself</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2025 08:23:29 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bca790a7-6d5f-4ff1-bcb5-da93d398de1f_300x169.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<h2></h2><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" 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The standard medical treatment at the time was rest and isolation.</p><p>It wouldn&#8217;t be the only time in her short life she would be confined to her home.</p><p>Her father, an architectural photographer, watched the loneliness eating little Frida up. He taught her how to develop and retouch photos. The techniques she learnt &#8211; the tiny brushstrokes, how to take care of her equipment &#8211; stayed with her for life.</p><p>She returned to school, marked forever by her disease. One leg was shorter than the other, and her peers mocked her for it. Art was a source of comfort to her. She became an apprentice to her father&#8217;s friend, an engraver, to help her family out, although she never considered a career as an artist.</p><p>A high-achieving, if rebellious student, she was only one of a handful of girls admitted to the prestigious National Preparatory School in Mexico City. She was planning to study medicine when the accident happened.</p><p>Kahlo was returning home from school with her boyfriend, Alejandro G&#243;mez Arias, when she realised she&#8217;d left her umbrella behind. They got off the bus and went back for it. The next bus that came along was so crowded they only just managed to squeeze on.</p><p>G&#243;mez Arias later described the incident:</p><p><em>The tram with two wagons approached the bus slowly. It slammed into the middle of the vehicle. The bus had a strange flexibility. It twisted and didn&#8217;t break &#8230; As soon as the bus reached its maximum flexibility, it cracked into thousands of pieces</em></p><p>When Kahlo came to, her friends were helping her up, which wasn&#8217;t an easy job: she had been impaled by an iron handrail, &#8216;the way a sword pierces a bull,&#8217; as she would later describe it. The handrail had pierced her abdomen. Her spine was broken in three places, her leg in eleven and her uterus had been punctured.</p><p>The first weeks passed in a blur of surgery and blood transfusions. She wrote to G&#243;mez Arias about how she knew she should be lucky to be alive, but she hated spending so much time in the &#8216;piggy filthy hospital&#8217;.</p><p>Afterwards, she spent months at home in a plaster cast that extended from her collarbone to her pelvis. She couldn&#8217;t even get out of bed. Returning to school was unthinkable.</p><p>Although her body was immobile, her mind was as active as ever. She needed an outlet for her racing thoughts. She had a special easel made so she could paint in bed and had a mirror placed next to her so she could see herself.</p><p>&#8216;I paint myself because I am often alone and I am the subject I know best,&#8217; she later wrote.</p><p>This was the moment her curiosity turned inwards.</p><h3>Brains in vats</h3><p>It was the French philosopher Ren&#233; Descartes who first separated the mind from the body. In a series of radical thought experiments, he questioned the very nature of reality. How can we know that the external world isn&#8217;t the creation of an &#8216;evil demon&#8217;?</p><p>The move inspired countless sci-fi books and movies like&nbsp;<em>The Matrix</em>. We might be brains in a vat, for all we know. Our sensory information could be the product of an artificial intelligence, uploaded directly into our brains.</p><p>&#8216;I think, therefore I am,&#8217; Descartes concluded &#8211; all we can be certain of is that we are a series of connected thoughts.</p><p>Descartes gave the mind a life of its own. The body was relegated to something we can&#8217;t truly know, something &#8216;out there&#8217; in the world and therefore of secondary importance to the mind.</p><p>Providing the body works, we often give it little thought. A much later philosopher, Martin Heidegger, said that we treat tools as &#8216;ready-to-hand&#8217; &#8211; we don&#8217;t notice the hammer, only the nail we&#8217;re trying to drive into the wall. The hammer is an extension of our arm. It is only when the hammer breaks that we see it once again as a tool.</p><p>It can be the same for the body.</p><h3>A calm retirement</h3><p>Four years before Descartes was born, and two hundred miles to the south, another philosopher lay dying, a philosopher who had been unafraid of exploring his own body to the fullest.</p><p>In 1571, aged 38, Montaigne &#8211; or Michel Eyquem, Seigneur de Montaigne, to give him his full title &#8211; retired from public life. The first half of his life had been eventful enough. He had toured Europe, been a courtier to King Charles IX, and served as Mayor of Bordeaux.</p><p>He had also lost many of those he loved, including his best friend and his brother. In all, he would go on to lose five of his six children.</p><p>Montaigne had experienced his own brush with death, too. Two years before, he had been thrown from his horse and lay &#8216;dead, stretched on my back, my face all bruised and skinned&#8217;. He claimed that this experience &#8211; and the days that followed, which he spent inert in bed &#8211; cured him of his fear of death.</p><p>Montaigne took up residence in the round library in one of his chateau&#8217;s towers and began to write. He had no doubt about what his primary focus would be. &#8216;I myself am the subject of my book,&#8217; he wrote. &#8216;Were I a good pupil there is enough, I find, in my own experience to make me wise.&#8217;</p><p>He wrote about what he had seen on his travels, about how customs in one region seemed alien in another town, just down the road. He read about discoveries in the new world, where some people went around naked, and beauty standards were at odds with those in the world Montaigne knew firsthand.</p><p>Montaigne was not content with received wisdom or lazy generalisations. &#8216;Only fools have made up their minds and are certain,&#8217; he wrote, then quoted Dante: &#8216;For doubting pleases me as much as knowledge&#8217;.</p><h3>Full of people who are full of themselves</h3><p>Despite the urging of the Delphi oracle to the people of Greece centuries before, Montaigne didn&#8217;t think anyone really knew themselves. Most people already assumed they were experts on themselves &#8211; their thoughts, their bodies, their likes, dislikes, strengths and irrationalities. There was little left to discover.</p><p>In the most personal way possible, Montaigne set out to prove them wrong.</p><p>He did this through meticulous notetaking and following the slow meandering of his thoughts. But most of all, he did it through careful observation. &#8216;We tell ourselves all that we chiefly need: let us listen to it.&#8217;</p><p>As his biographer Sarah Bakewell has put it, Montaigne invented the kind of writing we&#8217;re all used to reading online: &#8216;The twenty-first century is full of people who are full of themselves&#8217;.</p><p>Some of Montaigne&#8217;s thoughts apply to the social media oversharer: &#8216;Many things that I would not care to tell any individual man I tell to the public.&#8217; But Montaigne did not need to worry about constant feedback and immediate judgement. He was able to present a full picture of himself, his faults and failures, his flatulence and impotence, without worrying about creating a social media storm.</p><p>&#8216;If my design had been to seek the favour of the world,&#8217; Montaigne wrote, &#8216;I would have decked myself out better.&#8217;</p><p>Often, the things that people find most embarrassing are the most interesting things about them.</p><p>Montaigne&#8217;s unselfconscious approach meant that others could recognise themselves in what he wrote. If he had tried to fit in, or presented an airbrushed self-portrait to the world, his work would not have endured. Like Kahlo, it was what made him different that drove his creativity.</p><h3>Anxiety and doom scrolling</h3><p>Had Frida Kahlo lived a hundred years later and suffered her horrendous accident in 2025, her life may have turned out differently. Confined to a bed today, she may have lain day after day with only her phone for comfort, scrolling through photos of friends celebrating the end of exams, taking gap years and starting university. Friends beginning their own medical studies where hers had been cut short before they even began.</p><p>For psychiatrist Judson Brewer, anxiety builds when our responses fail to address our underlying feelings. He explains it as a series of triggers and responses, which develop into a cycle.</p><p>To take one example:</p><blockquote><p><strong>Trigger</strong>: Feeling anxious in bed after an accident; worrying about missing out</p><p><strong>Behaviour</strong>: Scrolling</p><p><strong>Reward</strong>: Distraction from anxiety</p></blockquote><p>The only way to escape, according to Brewer, is to offer our minds something better than the reward they&#8217;re currently getting. Whether it&#8217;s smoking to relieve stress or eating to cope with anxiety, we need to get curious about our habits.</p><p>When we begin to concentrate and notice the sensations, the behaviour is rarely as satisfying as we imagine it to be. The endless pizza slices soon become bland; cigarettes have an unpleasant taste and leave the throat feeling raw. As Montaigne wrote, &#8216;pleasures are to be avoided, if greater pains be the consequence&#8217;.</p><p>Our brains reevaluate the compulsive cycle. When we observe our own behaviour, we can see that the way we comfort ourselves sometimes isn&#8217;t as rewarding as imagine.</p><p>Then we can start to look for a replacement.</p><p>Chewing sweets instead of cigarettes isn&#8217;t a long-term solution, though, argues Brewer. Our behaviour is still compulsive. The replacement behaviour still isn&#8217;t great for us. And we haven&#8217;t tackled the cause &#8211; the stress or anxiety.</p><p>Instead, we need to become curious about our feelings. How does it feel when the stress builds? What happens to our bodies when we&#8217;re feeling anxious? During his time as a junior doctor, Brewer began to get panic attacks. While he couldn&#8217;t stop these, he was able to use meditation techniques he&#8217;d learnt to ride them out. A sense of helplessness would have exacerbated the issue. Instead, Brewer noted what was happening to his body. Over time, the attacks became less frequent before stopping completely.</p><p>Curiosity can replace our compulsive behaviour. We can begin to enjoy this exploration of our feelings and sensations, just as Montaigne dedicated himself to understanding his own experiences. It becomes a way to address the greatest challenges that life can throw our way.</p><p>One person who took this to the extreme was Frida Kahlo.</p><h3>I paint my own reality</h3><p>As she recovered from the accident, Kahlo toyed with the idea of becoming an artist. She joined the Mexican Communist Party, through which she got to know Diego Rivera, the great painter of murals. They married and toured the world together. Rivera was a champion of Kahlo&#8217;s work, but his frequent affairs left her feeling lonelier than ever.</p><p>Her health was also a constant issue. Although she became pregnant numerous times, she didn&#8217;t carry any to term. Throughout, she never tried to dull her feelings or shy away from her experiences. After one miscarriage, she painted&nbsp;<em>Henry Ford Hospital</em>, depicting herself naked in a pool of blood on a hospital bed, tethered by an umbilical cord to the foetus that she had lost preterm.</p><p>Painting gave her experiences meaning. Even &#8211; especially &#8211; the painful ones.</p><p>Through the final years of her life, while Kahlo continued to push the boundaries of art, she also fought for the rights of those whose voices were not heard. She spoke out against sexism and racism. She advocated for the inclusion of artwork by women and people of colour in exhibitions and often painted herself in traditional Mexican dress.</p><p>Kahlo described Rivera as &#8216;eternally curious,&#8217; but she could equally have applied this to herself. Her curiosity about her experiences ran in parallel with a constant questioning of the structure of society &#8211; its assumptions and inequalities.</p><p>She didn&#8217;t let anything &#8211; or anyone &#8211; else define her. Her accidents didn&#8217;t define her, and she wouldn&#8217;t let society either. When her right leg had to be amputated above the knee, she wrote in her diary, &#8216;Feet, what do I need you for when I have wings to fly?&#8217;</p><h3>Don&#8217;t build a wall around your suffering</h3><p>It would be easy to imagine her simply as the tragic figure shown in Henry Ford Hospital, but that wouldn&#8217;t be the complete story. &#8216;It is not worthwhile to leave this world without having had a little fun in life,&#8217; she wrote.</p><p>Throughout her illness, Kahlo was still the life and soul of the party. She loved singing Mexican ballads, her Tehuana costumes brought colour wherever she went and her friends noted that she could drink her guests under the table.</p><p>Her home, the Casa Azul, became the embodiment of her personality, with its cobalt-blue walls and bright, tiled kitchen, shelves covered with ancient Aztec artefacts and garden full of animals, including monkeys, parrots and even a deer.</p><p>Like Montaigne four centuries earlier, Kahlo found comfort in self-expression rather than compulsive or addictive behaviour. &#8216;Don&#8217;t build a wall around your suffering,&#8217; she apparently warned: &#8216;It may devour you from the inside.&#8217;</p><p>Social media encourages us to present a fa&#231;ade to the world. We often celebrate those who seem to have it all worked out. Whose skin is free of wrinkles. Whose family life is devoid of tragedy and complications. Who do not have physical or mental health issues.</p><p>These are not people we can learn from, though. They are not the people whose stories will last.</p><p>Instead, it is the artwork of Frida Kahlo, who expressed herself despite &#8211; and through &#8211; her illness, that is among some of the most highly valued in the world.</p><p>It is within the words of Montaigne, determined to discover and confront his flaws, that generation after generation have found comfort and meaning.</p><p>&#8216;Painting completed my life,&#8217; Kahlo wrote. &#8216;I lost three children and a series of other things that would have fulfilled my horrible life. My painting took the place of all of this.&#8217;</p><p>Frida Kahlo showed herself, unfiltered.</p><p>Her curiosity about herself and her place in the world showed what it means to be human.</p><h3>Sources</h3><p><strong>On Montaigne</strong></p><p>Sarah Bakewell (2011)&nbsp;<em>How to Live: Or A Life of Montaigne in One Question and Twenty Attempts at an Answer</em></p><p>Alain de Botton (2000)&nbsp;<em>The Consolations of Philosophy</em></p><p>Montaigne&#8217;s&nbsp;<em>Essays</em>&nbsp;(I&#8217;ve used Penguin&#8217;s 2004 edition)</p><p><strong>On Frida Kahlo</strong></p><p>BBC (2023)&nbsp;<em>Becoming Frida Kahlo</em></p><p>Alicja Zelazko / Encyclopaedia Britannica (2025)&nbsp;<em>Frida Kahlo</em>&nbsp;<a href="https://www.britannica.com/biography/Frida-Kahlo">https://www.britannica.com/biography/Frida-Kahlo</a></p><p>Museo Frida Kahlo (2025)&nbsp;<a href="https://www.museofridakahlo.org.mx/">https://www.museofridakahlo.org.mx</a></p><p><strong>Other sources</strong></p><p>Judson Brewer (2022)&nbsp;<em>Unwinding Anxiety</em>&nbsp;(Also, see his 2016 TED talk, &#8216;<a href="https://www.ted.com/talks/judson_brewer_a_simple_way_to_break_a_bad_habit">A Simple Way to Break a Bad Habit</a>&#8217;)</p><p>&#8220;Portrait of Michel de Montaigne&#8221; &#8212; Cond&#233; Museum &#8212;&nbsp;<em>Public domain.</em>&nbsp;Source: Wikimedia Commons, File: Montaigne_1578.jpg.</p><p>&#8220;Frida Kahlo, by Guillermo Kahlo&#8221; &#8212;&nbsp;<em>Public domain.</em>&nbsp;Source: Wikimedia Commons, File: Frida_Kahlo,_by_Guillermo_Kahlo.jpg.</p><p>Composite image created by GetCurious.Blog; images cropped and combined from the originals.</p><p>The post <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2025/12/22/get-curious-about-yourself/">Get curious about yourself</a> appeared first on <a href="https://getcurious.blog">Get Curious</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[Take Nobody’s Word For It]]></title><description><![CDATA[Things weren&#8217;t easy for Isaac Newton growing up.]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/take-nobodys-word-for-it</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/take-nobodys-word-for-it</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2025 14:53:22 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/b9db332c-0219-44b4-a6d2-04a0c7fc4c4e_225x300.jpeg" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Things weren&#8217;t easy for Isaac Newton growing up. His father died before he was born and his mother got remarried and moved out when Newton was three. He lived in the family home with his grandmother, but it wasn&#8217;t a happy time. He was lonely and felt abandoned. Once, he confessed to threatening to burn down his stepfather&#8217;s home, with his stepfather and mother inside.</p><p>When his stepfather died, Newton&#8217;s mother moved back to the family home with Newton&#8217;s three stepsisters. Newton was sent to board in a town eight miles away. He was bullied at school. As an escape, he found projects to immerse himself in. He built sundials and performed astronomical calculations. He built a water wheel and watched the water flow along the stream, sometimes moving effortlessly, sometimes swirling chaotically.</p><p>Newton was destined to take up farming, the family business, but showed little aptitude for it. His head was too full of ideas. He failed to repair the farm&#8217;s fences and allowed the pigs to trespass onto his neighbour&#8217;s land &#8211; and soon found himself in court.</p><p>But fate intervened in Newton&#8217;s favour. His schoolmaster saw his potential. Together with Newton&#8217;s uncle, who had studied at Cambridge before joining the clergy, they arranged for Newton to be sent to his uncle&#8217;s old college, Trinity.</p><h3>My best friend is the truth</h3><p>Even at Cambridge Newton was at the bottom of the pecking order. His mother, now a wealthy widow, chose to give Newton only a tiny allowance. To pay his way, he had to work as a servant for the richer students. He wasn&#8217;t allowed to dine with his peers at high table, but once the other students had finished eating, he could finish off their leftovers.</p><p>To those around him, there was little sign he was marked out for greatness, but in his notebooks, something extraordinary was happening.</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Saed!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb28d4b6a-a1dd-41e4-9a9f-64bae6770d4c_225x300.jpeg" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!Saed!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fb28d4b6a-a1dd-41e4-9a9f-64bae6770d4c_225x300.jpeg 424w, 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stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em>Isaac Newton&#8217;s handwritten notes on Aristotle&#8217;s Organon.</em></p><p><em>Image from Cambridge Digital Library via Wikimedia Commons</em></p><p>Ever since the fall of the Roman Empire, most scholars had spent their energy arguing about what the ancients wrote. Whatever Plato and Aristotle were ignorant of wasn&#8217;t worth knowing. Recently, people had started to doubt these limits &#8211; and Newton was one of them.</p><p>A section of his university notebook was titled&nbsp;<em>quaestiones quaedam philosophicae</em>&nbsp;&#8211; certain philosophical questions. This was reserved for his thoughts on whatever he was studying &#8211; Descartes, Galileo and Hobbes. He took careful notes and analysed ideas he came across with a critical eye. At the top of the section he wrote a motto:&nbsp;<em>Amicus Plato amicus Aristoteles magis amica veritas</em></p><p>Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is the truth.</p><p>It echoed the motto of the Royal Society, founded in London the year before Newton started at Cambridge. (Newton would later become its president.)</p><p><em>Nullius in verba.</em></p><p>Take nobody&#8217;s word for it.</p><p>Newton&#8217;s ability to doubt became his superpower. He let himself be guided by nature and, in the process, transformed our understanding of the universe.</p><p>After three years at Cambridge, Newton was awarded a scholarship, releasing him from valet duties for his fellow students. His notebook also showed signs of his prowess in mathematics: it contained theories nobody had seen before.</p><p>But just as things were beginning to improve, the plague arrived. Colleges shut down. Newton had to return home.</p><h3>The world&#8217;s paramount mathematician</h3><p>It would have been easy for him to despair. His relationship with his mother and stepsisters was difficult at best. His newfound independence was gone. Worse, so was his access to the lectures and books that inspired him.</p><p>He could have asked himself:&nbsp;<em>Why me? Why now?</em></p><p>Instead, he asked different questions. Strange questions.</p><p><em>What is light made of?</em></p><p><em>Where does colour come from?</em></p><p><em>Why does an apple fall downwards &#8211; never sideways or upwards?</em></p><p><em>What makes a cannonball continue through the air after it&#8217;s been fired?</em></p><p><em>What is space made of? How long does it go on for?</em></p><p><em>Can you break time down into tiny parts, like you can break matter down into atoms?</em></p><p>Some of these questions had never been asked before.</p><p>He didn&#8217;t just ask questions, he also pursued the answers relentlessly. He turned the front room of the family home into one of the world&#8217;s most advanced optics laboratories. He filled a precious notebook &#8211; passed down by his stepfather &#8211; with page after page with calculations.</p><p>By the time he returned to Cambridge almost two years later he had become, according to his biographer James Gleick, &#8216;the world&#8217;s paramount mathematician&#8217;.</p><h3>Doubt everything</h3><p>Doubt, as a starting point, was not a new idea. The Sceptics of ancient Greece had made it the foundation of their philosophy. If you&#8217;re considering an argument, they said, keep piling up the evidence for each side. Soon, you&#8217;ll see that both are equally strong &#8211; or equally weak. No question can be answered with any certainty.</p><p>That&#8217;s one way to prevent you making a fool of yourself by jumping to conclusions, but it&#8217;s hardly a constructive way to make new discoveries.</p><p>Newton had a different method of doubting. It was a way of creating knowledge, not simply of dismissing other people&#8217;s ideas. His combination of perceptive questions with meticulous observation and thorough mathematics allowed him to create laws that have lasted for centuries.</p><p>Later in life, Newton became obsessed with alchemy. Chemistry was only just emerging from alchemy&#8217;s shadow, and Newton brought a rigour the discipline had never seen before. He sniffed and tasted every new chemical, every new vapour (filling his body with toxic mercury in the process). But he also brought precision to his measurements, carefully weighing and recording everything he did.</p><p>Newton didn&#8217;t doubt everything, but his standards of proof were much higher than those who had gone before. He was issuing a challenge for his rivals to up their game.</p><p>The plague over, Newton returned to Cambridge and continued his work. Years passed and he turned from student to professor. He barely left his rooms. The only thing he published was a geography textbook (lecturing on the subject was part of his remit as mathematics professor).</p><p>Then a friend, astronomer Edmund Halley, arrived with news. Newton&#8217;s great rival Robert Hooke, Curator of Experiments at the Royal Society, was going to publish his own theory of gravity. Newton knew from his correspondence with Hooke that Hooke&#8217;s ideas were much less developed than his own, but there was no way Newton could let Hooke get there first.</p><p>Newton worked relentlessly to make his ideas publishable. Previously, he had been a recluse. Now, it was as if his human, embodied life, disappeared entirely. He ate little, and when he did, took meals standing up. On the rare occasions he wandered out of his rooms, he looked confused and retreated quickly.</p><p>In 1687, the&nbsp;<em>Philosophi&#230; Naturalis Principia Mathematica</em>&nbsp;&#8211; the&nbsp;<em>Principia</em>&nbsp;&#8211; was published, providing the foundation for modern physics to this day.&nbsp;</p><h3>Cognitive Misers</h3><p>In 1984, psychologists Susan Fiske and Shelley Taylor introduced the term&nbsp;<em>cognitive miser</em>&nbsp;in their book&nbsp;<em>Social Cognition</em>. Just as a miser is someone who carefully guards their money, a cognitive miser is someone reluctant to use their precious cognitive resources. They often end up taking mental shortcuts and are happy to accept what they&#8217;re told. The theory explains why we rely on stereotypes rather than seeing people as individuals, why we can be scammed by an offer that sounds too good to be true and why we reason based on the evidence in front of us rather than doing our own research.</p><p>It suits us all to be cognitive misers at times. When we&#8217;re buying a car, we accept the dealer&#8217;s promises about its safety record, about the car&#8217;s mileage and details of previous owners. When our kids tell us how their day has gone, we don&#8217;t cross-reference their account with their friends and teacher.</p><p>There is a lot that we just have to accept. Life&#8217;s too short to question everything. But sometimes, we take others&#8217; word for it when we should challenge them.</p><p>Newton could have accepted Aristotle&#8217;s idea that things won&#8217;t move unless they&#8217;re being pushed. But then he wouldn&#8217;t have come up with his laws of motion. He could have accepted the idea that a prism contains the spectrum of colours and gives them to white light as it passes through. He could have accepted the mathematics of the day without building calculus. It would have saved him a lot of time and mental energy. But it would also have prevented him being remembered as a genius for publishing the&nbsp;<em>Principia</em>.</p><p>Instead, he never stopped questioning.</p><p>At least, he never stopped questioning where maths and science were concerned. Just like all of us, though, there were some things Newton didn&#8217;t question.</p><p>When other scientists came up with similar theories, his instinct was to attack their methods and claim credit himself. He could have questioned this instinct. He could have expended effort getting to know more about the scientists and their views. This approach might have ended up in the kinds of collaborations that produce theories we&#8217;re still using today. But until his death, Newton wasted his time and energy trying to prove them wrong, and that he had got there first, sometimes to the point of faking a paper trail to prove it.</p><p>Later in life, as Master of the Royal Mint, he vigorously pursued counterfeiters &#8211; to the gallows, where possible. He could have questioned whether forgery should be worthy of capital punishment. Others did. He could have questioned the value of human life. But he chose to make an example out of those who tried to rival him in creating currency.</p><h3>When to ask a question</h3><p>The metaphor of the cognitive miser hides important differences between spending and reasoning. While money is finite and depreciates in value over time unless invested, our cognitive resources are elastic. The less we use them, the rustier they get.</p><p>In some ways, the analogy of the brain as a muscle is a more accurate one. We should be testing and straining our brain to build its strength, while making sure we rest it in between. Questioning, too, is a skill. The more we do it, the better we get at it.</p><p>We should all ask more questions, especially about the things that matter.</p><p><em>Nullius in verba.</em></p><p>Take nobody&#8217;s word for it.</p><p>We should question politicians&#8217; promises. We should question the topics they bring up:&nbsp;<em>Why do you think this is the most important issue? Why are you using this metaphor? What view of the world are you bringing?</em></p><p>We can question processes at work. We can look at the way we do things and ask why. Often, you&#8217;ll find people&#8217;s only explanation is that things have always been done this way. They might not like you asking but you probably can&#8217;t make any fundamental changes in the workplace without questioning the status quo (and upsetting a few cognitive misers in the progress).</p><p>We can question aspects of life that seem set in stone. Civil rights movements wouldn&#8217;t have happened unless someone had doubted the superiority of one group or one way of life over all others.</p><p>Sometimes, we have a duty to question.</p><p>Sure, we&#8217;re all cognitive misers from time to time, and that&#8217;s ok. We&#8217;d go crazy otherwise. But, like Newton, we need to work out which are the important questions to ask. Which questions might just change the world.</p><p>And we shouldn&#8217;t settle for the first thing that comes along, the first thing that sounds about right. Instead, we should demand to see the method. Question the process. And stop not just when we&#8217;re close or we have something that will sound plausible in a report but when we arrive at the correct answer.</p><p>Like Newton said, Plato is my friend, Aristotle is my friend, but my best friend is the truth.</p><h2>Sources</h2><p>Susan Fiske and Shelley Taylor (1984)&nbsp;<em>Social Cognition</em></p><p>James Gleick (2003)&nbsp;<em>Isaac Newton</em></p><p>The post <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2025/12/15/take-nobodys-word-for-it/">Take Nobody&#8217;s Word For It</a> appeared first on <a href="https://getcurious.blog">Get Curious</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item><item><title><![CDATA[The Psychology of the Cliffhanger]]></title><description><![CDATA[How to sell a hundred million books (and counting)]]></description><link>https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/the-psychology-of-the-cliffhanger</link><guid isPermaLink="false">https://www.chris-reid.co.uk/p/the-psychology-of-the-cliffhanger</guid><dc:creator><![CDATA[Chris Reid]]></dc:creator><pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2025 14:44:26 GMT</pubDate><enclosure url="https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/21a0a455-3f9b-436e-b8d4-067380a429b7_299x232.png" length="0" type="image/jpeg"/><content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The way to write a thriller is to ask a question at the beginning, and answer it at the end</p></blockquote><p>Lee Child</p><h2>Getting the sack</h2><p>Jim Grant was about to be laid off. He&#8217;d worked for a TV studio his whole life. He didn&#8217;t know any other way to make a living. But as the union rep during times of trouble, Grant would be first for the chop.</p><p>Things didn&#8217;t look good. Other TV studios would find out about his union activities and give him a wide berth. He&#8217;d had the same job since he graduated from law school. And he had never even practised law, so he didn&#8217;t have that to fall back on.</p><p>Grant was about to turn forty. It didn&#8217;t seem like the ideal time to learn a new skill. But the day he was laid off, he took a walk to the shops and bought a pad of paper and a pencil. He sat down at the kitchen table and began to write. And he hasn&#8217;t stopped since.</p><h2>The Cliffhanger</h2><p>You might know Grant better as Lee Child. He&#8217;s the creator of Jack Reacher, the hulking ex-Military Police investigator known informally as &#8216;Sherlock Homeless&#8217;. His books have sold more than a hundred million copies and been turned into films starring Tom Cruise and a blockbuster Amazon Prime series.</p><p>Child didn&#8217;t need to reskill, it turned out. He had learnt everything he needed about creating the Reacher books during his time at the TV studio. To keep viewers tuned in during the ad breaks that came every fifteen minutes, TV producers put a question at the end of a segment, then revealed the answer after the break. Not the most dramatic cliffhanger, but it told Child something about human psychology. Putting a question at the end of each chapter in his Reacher books keeps readers flicking the pages. It&#8217;s a hint of new information. Or of danger. Child is the master of the surprise in the final sentence.</p><p>Child didn&#8217;t invent the cliffhanger, of course. Like Scheherazade, telling stories to King Shahry&#257;r night after night to postpone her own execution,<em>&nbsp;The Arabian Nights</em>&nbsp;has kept readers in suspense for centuries.</p><p>Dickens was a master of the craft. Commercial necessity was his teacher, as it was for Lee Child in the TV studio. Because his stories were serialised, Dickens had to keep readers hungry for the next instalment. There are stories of crowds storming the docks in New York as ships arrived from England to find out what happened to Little Nell in The Old Curiosity Shop.</p><p>The term &#8216;cliffhanger&#8217; comes from Thomas Hardy&#8217;s&nbsp;<em>A Pair of Blue Eyes.&nbsp;</em>See if you think it still holds up as a how-to guide in the Netflix age of how to build tension.</p><p>In the novel, Henry Knight is wooing Elfride Swancourt, unaware of her relationship with another man. Henry and Elfride are walking along the cliffs when Henry&#8217;s hat is pulled from his head by a gust of wind. He leans over the cliff to retrieve it and is pulled over the cliff edge himself.</p><p>Here&#8217;s an abridged version (Victorian novels aren&#8217;t famed for their concision):</p><p><em>Knight was now literally suspended by his arms.</em></p><p><em>&#8216;If I can only save you by running for help!&#8221; Elfride cried.</em></p><p><em>&#8216;How long will it take you to run to Endelstow and back?&#8217;</em></p><p><em>&#8216;Three-quarters of an hour.&#8217;</em></p><p><em>&#8216;That won&#8217;t do; my hands will not hold out ten minutes.&#8217;</em></p><p><em>A minute&#8212;perhaps more time&#8212;was passed in mute thought by both. Suddenly the blank and helpless agony left her face. She vanished over the bank from his sight.</em></p><p><em>Knight felt himself in the presence of a personalized loneliness.</em></p><p>And there the chapter ends.</p><h2>The Zeigarnik Effect</h2><p>To understand why cliffhangers are effective, we need to turn to the work of the psychologist Bluma&nbsp;Zeigarnik.</p><p>Zeigarnik was sitting with her mentor Kurt Lewin in a busy Viennese caf&#233;, so the story goes. Lewin was famed for his meandering conversations with friends that could last all afternoon. Eventually, he called the waiter over and asked how much they owed. The waiter knew what they&#8217;d all had and answered immediately. After the group finished their drinks, they were discussing the bill and Lewin called the waiter over again: &#8216;How much did we just pay?&#8217; The waiter couldn&#8217;t tell him.</p><p>Intrigued, Zeigarnik set about investigating. She gave people simple tasks to do &#8211; solving puzzles, folding paper, or answering mathematical problems. Half of the participants were allowed to finish their activities; the other half were interrupted when they were engrossed in the activity. Zeigarnik was a pioneer of the experimental method in psychology. She made sure to carefully balance the time and difficulty of the tasks between the two groups. The only difference was whether the participants were allowed to complete the tasks. Her findings were clear: those who had been interrupted were twice as likely to recall what they had been doing as those who were allowed to complete the task.</p><p>She probed further. The most effective points to interrupt people were in the middle or towards the end of the task. Those just getting started were not as good at recalling what they had been doing. Zeigarnik also found that people who were more ambitious, or saw the lack of completion as a failure, had a better memory for the tasks.</p><p>Zeigarnik put the effect down to&nbsp;<em>psychische Spannung</em>, or &#8216;psychological tension&#8217;. The tension builds in the mind during the activity, peaking just before it&#8217;s finished. After the activity is done, the tension dissipates.</p><p>This is the same tension that a skilled novelist builds in their reader. Will Elfride make it back with help before Knight falls? The clock is ticking &#8211; the psychological tension is building. Access to Knight&#8217;s thoughts while he is hanging builds the suspense. Elfride returns &#8211; alone. How long can he hold on? Not long &#8211; not long enough for help to come. So the enterprising Elfride tears her clothing into strips and knots it into a rope, tying one end around her waist before throwing the other down to Knight. He makes it up and they embrace.</p><p>But there&#8217;s still that business of the love triangle to resolve&#8230;</p><p>A skilled novelist zooms in and out, building and releasing tension moment by moment, but leaving other questions simmering in the background. The tension is never fully released until the resolution at the end of the novel.</p><p>Zeigarnik&#8217;s work tells us why cliffhangers are useful: if a question isn&#8217;t resolved, it sticks in our mind. But this doesn&#8217;t tell us much about the characteristics of a successful cliffhanger.</p><p>For this, we need to turn to the work of another psychologist.</p><h2>The Goldilocks Zone</h2><p>For George Loewenstein, curiosity is a state of deprivation. Imagine someone asks you to name all the US states and you come up two short. You have an information gap &#8211; a space between your current knowledge and the knowledge you could have. It creates a desire, like an advert that promises a perfect life if only you buy the bottle of perfume or the latest SUV.</p><p>When your mind is focused on something you lack, your need for it increases. According to Loewenstein, the closer you come to the information, the more motivated you are to get it. Whenever your attention is caught by a clickbait headline or teasing advert, that&#8217;s Loewenstein&#8217;s version of curiosity tugging at your sleeve.</p><p>But not just any gap will do. There&#8217;s a &#8216;Goldilocks Zone&#8217; where the gap is just the right size.&nbsp;</p><div class="captioned-image-container"><figure><a class="image-link image2 is-viewable-img" target="_blank" href="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png" data-component-name="Image2ToDOM"><div class="image2-inset"><picture><source type="image/webp" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_424,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_848,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_1272,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 1456w" sizes="100vw"><img src="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png" width="790" height="612" data-attrs="{&quot;src&quot;:&quot;https://substack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com/public/images/bee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png&quot;,&quot;srcNoWatermark&quot;:null,&quot;fullscreen&quot;:null,&quot;imageSize&quot;:null,&quot;height&quot;:612,&quot;width&quot;:790,&quot;resizeWidth&quot;:null,&quot;bytes&quot;:null,&quot;alt&quot;:&quot;&quot;,&quot;title&quot;:null,&quot;type&quot;:null,&quot;href&quot;:null,&quot;belowTheFold&quot;:true,&quot;topImage&quot;:false,&quot;internalRedirect&quot;:null,&quot;isProcessing&quot;:false,&quot;align&quot;:null,&quot;offset&quot;:false}" class="sizing-normal" alt="" title="" srcset="https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_424,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 424w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_848,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 848w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_1272,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 1272w, https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/$s_!4fup!,w_1456,c_limit,f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fbee4072a-6213-44f0-8587-284e8f0df157_299x232.png 1456w" sizes="100vw" loading="lazy"></picture><div class="image-link-expand"><div class="pencraft pc-display-flex pc-gap-8 pc-reset"><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container restack-image"><svg role="img" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 20 20" fill="none" stroke-width="1.5" stroke="var(--color-fg-primary)" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg"><g><title></title><path d="M2.53001 7.81595C3.49179 4.73911 6.43281 2.5 9.91173 2.5C13.1684 2.5 15.9537 4.46214 17.0852 7.23684L17.6179 8.67647M17.6179 8.67647L18.5002 4.26471M17.6179 8.67647L13.6473 6.91176M17.4995 12.1841C16.5378 15.2609 13.5967 17.5 10.1178 17.5C6.86118 17.5 4.07589 15.5379 2.94432 12.7632L2.41165 11.3235M2.41165 11.3235L1.5293 15.7353M2.41165 11.3235L6.38224 13.0882"></path></g></svg></button><button tabindex="0" type="button" class="pencraft pc-reset pencraft icon-container view-image"><svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" width="20" height="20" viewBox="0 0 24 24" fill="none" stroke="currentColor" stroke-width="2" stroke-linecap="round" stroke-linejoin="round" class="lucide lucide-maximize2 lucide-maximize-2"><polyline points="15 3 21 3 21 9"></polyline><polyline points="9 21 3 21 3 15"></polyline><line x1="21" x2="14" y1="3" y2="10"></line><line x1="3" x2="10" y1="21" y2="14"></line></svg></button></div></div></div></a></figure></div><p><em><strong>Curiosity&#8217;s &#8216;Goldilocks Zone&#8217;: </strong>if the information gap between what we know and what we want to know is too small, we become bored; too large and we get confused. We become curious only when the gap is exactly the right size.</em></p><p>If you start asking primary school kids questions about quantum physics, you&#8217;re unlikely to elicit much curiosity. Ask quantum physicists about primary school science, and you&#8217;re only going to induce yawns. The gap between what you know and the tantalising information dangled in front of you has to be just the right distance to leap over.</p><p>When Lee Child puts Reacher in a dangerous situation, the solution has to raise questions. If there&#8217;s one bad guy between Reacher and freedom, he&#8217;s just going to crumple the guy&#8217;s head in. But ten, one of whom is the size of three average guys squashed together &#8211; that&#8217;s more interesting. The psychological tension ramps up.</p><p>A cliffhanger is a hard thing to get right. We&#8217;ve all seen far more clickbait headlines than we&#8217;ve clicked on, adverts than products we&#8217;ve bought and we&#8217;ve probably all stopped watching halfway through a series, leaving those questions dangling.</p><p>Often, this is because the gap is the wrong size: someone has failed to get to us to the peak curiosity point on the graph. At other times, though, we lose trust. That TV series that keeps throwing questions at us &#8211; who&#8217;s the mysterious woman we keep seeing in the distance? What does that weird writing mean? And what&#8217;s the secret the main character is hiding? At some point, we stop believing the questions are going to be resolved. There will simply be more cliffhangers. The writers themselves don&#8217;t know what the solutions are.</p><p>It&#8217;s easy to leave the protagonist hanging by a fraying rope over the mouth of a volcano, but harder to get them free when we&#8217;ve implied the situation is impossible to escape from.</p><p>A cliffhanger is a contract with a reader or viewer. Keep going, and the pay-off is going to be worth it. Authors neglect that contract at their peril.</p><h2>When to follow the rules (and when to break them)</h2><p>It was a Catholic priest, Ronald Knox, who wrote the first rules that detective novelists must follow if they are to play fair, including no supernatural forces at work, no scientific device that needs a long explanation at the end and no identical twins (unless the reader&#8217;s been prepared beforehand).</p><p>The cleverest writers know how to bend &#8211; and even break &#8211; the rules, and nobody does this better than Agatha Christie. The airport bestseller that claims to be genre-bending or with a twist you never saw coming &#8211; the chances are that Christie got there first.</p><p>There are a set of rules, though, that every suspense writer must follow if they hope to keep their readers. These were not put together by a novelist (or a priest) but a psychologist. In the same paper he described his Information-Gap theory, Loewenstein also described the situations that can pique someone&#8217;s curiosity:</p><ol><li><p>When they&#8217;re presented with a puzzle</p></li><li><p>When they see a sequence of events with &#8216;an anticipated but unknown resolution&#8217;. People will make a prediction, and have to stick around to find out whether they&#8217;re right</p></li><li><p>When their expectations are violated</p></li><li><p>When they discover someone else has information they don&#8217;t</p></li></ol><p>In&nbsp;<em>The Science of Storytelling</em>, Will Storr claims that Loewenstein wrote &#8216;a perfect description of the police-procedural drama&#8217;. Whether it&#8217;s a Lee Child novel or the latest crime drama streaming into your home, you&#8217;ll see these four methods being used. How-to guides on crime writing tell you to give the reader a body on the first page &#8211; but unlike the stories on the front page of the paper, there must be something impossible about the murder, something that doesn&#8217;t make sense. The tension will build through the use of red herrings, characters who must be the murderer but have an alibi. Virtually every character has a motive &#8211; the only one that doesn&#8217;t (spoiler alert) is probably the real killer.</p><h2>Staring into the void</h2><p>The curiosity that Loewenstein describes is a very particular form of curiosity. Lee Child learned his craft by putting trivia questions before ad breaks in TV shows. This is the same situation psychological researchers like Loewenstein present research subjects with in the laboratory. When we come across a new situation in the real world &#8211; when we&#8217;re travelling, or in the classroom or in a scientific laboratory &#8211; it isn&#8217;t always that easy to say what the gap is. Our curiosity is often provoked by something more complex than the four situations that Loewenstein outlines.</p><p>When the astronomer is presented with a shiny new telescope, the most powerful in history, and she stares into a galaxy nobody has ever seen before, what will she discover? Information-gap theory feels too limited for this case. There are no multiple-choice answers, no set of US states or lineage of kings and queens that can fill the gap. Instead, there&#8217;s a yawning, gaping, unknown. Depending on what the astrophysicist discovers, that psychological tension might carry on building and building.</p><p>These aren&#8217;t the kind of questions that underpin cliffhangers. Cliffhangers are controlled situations &#8211; controlled by the writer or the psychologist. But there are some situations that we just can&#8217;t control. And these are the situations that can drive a lifetime of curiosity.</p><p>When we gaze into the abyss, Nietzsche wrote, the abyss gazes back into us.</p><h2>Sources</h2><p><strong>Books:</strong></p><p>Thomas Hardy (1873)&nbsp;<em>A Pair of Blue Eyes</em></p><p>Will Storr (2019)&nbsp;<em>The Science of Storytelling</em></p><p><strong>Academic sources:</strong></p><p>George Loewenstein (1994) The psychology of curiosity: A review and reinterpretation,&nbsp;<em>Psychological Bulletin</em>, 116(1), 75-98</p><p>Colin M. MacLeod (2020) Zeigarnik and von Restorff: The memory effects and the stories behind them,&nbsp;<em>Memory &amp; Cognition&nbsp;,</em>48, 1073&#8211;1088</p><p>The post <a href="https://getcurious.blog/2025/12/08/the-psychology-of-the-cliffhanger/">The Psychology of the Cliffhanger</a> appeared first on <a href="https://getcurious.blog">Get Curious</a>.</p>]]></content:encoded></item></channel></rss>